Garden Plans

PODCAST | Plans for Growing Vegetables for Beginners



It be may be cold for many of us, but it’s not too early to start dreaming about next season’s garden! In this episode, Benedict Vanheems, a contributor to MOTHER EARTH NEWS, a lifelong gardener, and presenter at GrowVeg, shares about how you can start planning and planting your next vegetable garden – from in-ground to raised bed gardening, to where to start your garden. He covers all the basics about growing vegetables for beginners, including some recommendations for the best vegetables to grow at home, as well as the worst.

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Planning is, it’s a bit like coming up with  a menu for the week or financial planning,   for example, it just puts you in a lot  better place. So if you’re planning a menu,   you’re less likely to snack, you’re  less likely to eat rubbish food,  

And you’ll have a much healthier week.  And it’s the same with planning a garden. Welcome to the Mother Earth News and Friends  podcast. At Mother Earth News for 50 years and   counting, we’ve been dedicated to conserving  the planet’s natural resources while helping  

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Good day, everyone. I am Kenny Coogan,  and joining me today is Ben Vanheems,   a keen vegetable gardener and presenter of the  GrowVeg YouTube channel . On today’s podcast,   we’re going to be discussing how to plan and  plant a successful vegetable garden in 2024. Welcome to the podcast, Ben.

Hello, Kenny, lovely to be here. Thank you so  much for inviting me along. It’s a pleasure. We are excited to have you. One of the most  thought provoking phrases I have ever heard   was during a Master Gardening presentation at  my local library when they asked the audience:  

“Do you plant a garden  or do you plan one?” And the audience kinda Erupted  with thought and pondering…. “Ums” and “uhs,” yes indeed.  It’s a bit like the chicken and egg, isn’t it?   What comes first? I suppose the honest answer is  probably planning if you’re an organized gardener,  

But probably planting if you’re more keen than  organized. So, I think both is a valid answer. Can you talk a little bit  about why planning a garden   will prevent you from some agony down the road? Oh, completely. I mean, planning is, it’s  a bit like coming up with a menu for the  

Week or financial planning, for example, it  just puts you in a lot better place. So if   you’re planning a menu, you’re less likely to  snack, you’re less likely to eat rubbish food,   and you’ll have a much healthier week.  And it’s the same with planning a garden.

The advantages of planning are that you  are planning to get the most from the area   that you have. So you’re considering  light, you’re considering your soil,   and choosing plants appropriately so  you’re not disappointed. You get bigger,   better harvests, and ultimately  you enjoy it more, I think.

Today we’re going to be talking  about vegetable gardening,   but I wanted to share that I have a  little more than an acre, and I think   about when I first moved here it was all  grass. And I just planted a food forest,  

But I also did the butterfly garden and edibles.  But now that it’s been established for 12 years,   I do wish that certain parts of the yard  were monochromatic, or they had like these   complementary colors, whereas it currently  is, it’s just paint splatter everywhere.

Yeah, yeah, I know what you mean.  There’s this sort of visual aspect of it,   isn’t there? I think as vegetable gardeners,   you can go down the very utilitarian road and  just think, how much can I get from this plot? But you look at some of the really  beautiful, potagers in France that  

Are really sunny mixing sort of flowers  in there as well, and obviously really   beautiful lacy herbs and beautiful bamboo  and so on. It can be a real place of beauty. So, I think with a food forest, though, you got  so many more bigger and established plants, it’s,  

It’s going to be trickier, I guess, which  is, you know, a bit of a challenge in that   regard. Yeah. I think the great thing about  pure vegetable gardening in the traditional   sense is that each year is the completely clean  slate and you start again, you learn and adapt.

So that’s kind of a benefit there. So speaking of that, when people  are thinking about where to put   the vegetable garden, what is the best location? Yeah, it depends where you are. I would  say generally the best place is somewhere  

That gets as much sun as possible. But  obviously if you’re down south it’s going   to be very hot hard baking summers then you  actually might want somewhere that gets good   sun in the sort of spring and fall, but then  maybe gets a bit of shade cast in the summer,  

Especially during the kind  of heat of the afternoon. So light’s important. Although there are plenty  of plants that will grow in shade as well,   like many leafy greens. Shelter is important. You  want somewhere that isn’t going to get buffeted   about by winds. And most gardens should be  fairly sheltered with hedges and shrubbery  

Around them. And generally somewhere that’s  level as well because that makes life a lot   easier because you’re trying to water something  on a slope. It’s going to be tricky because a lot   of it will run off. . So generally somewhere  sheltered, somewhere with good sunshine or a  

Bit of shade in the afternoon if you’re in a hot  place, and somewhere that’s kind of level as well. When you were talking about the potager garden,  I was thinking about those French kitchen   gardens. And in my mind. It’s right outside  of the kitchen, like right outside the door.

Yeah, absolutely. You’re much more likely  to tend your garden and obviously enjoy it,   if it’s as close as possible to your house, your  back door, where you kind of come in and out of   the garden. I think there’s been a tradition,  especially maybe in this country in the UK of  

Kind of relegating the kitchen garden right to  the back of the garden, kind of behind a fence,   so you can’t see it cause it’s ugly. But in the  example of potagers or just many modern gardens   where you’re getting flowers in there, too, with  the vegetables, it can be a thing of beauty,  

So having it as close to where you’re going  to access it is really valuable, to be honest. During the cooking for dinner,   I do love stepping outside very briefly  and just grabbing a handful of herbs. That’s right. That’s the beauty of it, isn’t  it? And you save so much as well. I think  

Herbs is one of those groups of crops  that offers the most savings as well. I live on the city limits, but I’m not  afraid of vermin or pests. And my compost,   or I should say, one of four of my compost  piles is also right outside the kitchen window.

So when I’m, you know, cleaning the dishes,  I can just throw it because that’s easy. Oh, that’s brilliant. What a great idea.  I love that. It’s sort of like kind of   lobbing it in and hoping it goes in. I love  that. That’s brilliant. It’s better than  

Building up a kind of on-the-counter moldy  pile and emptying it every now and then,   isn’t it? With all the flies  and so on. Brilliant idea. I think I wrote this in an article for one  of our magazines, but I visited a friend and  

Her family who do garden, but they don’t  have poultry and I was just so saddened   by the eggshells and the vegetable scraps  that they’re throwing , in the garbage. Oh, gosh. Yeah. Do you guys have curbside  collections of organic waste? Because here,  

It gets collected by the council and composted,  but obviously you want it yourself, don’t you? Yes, once a week we do, but I’m not  going to give them any of my good stuff. No, absolutely not. No, you  want to hoard that yourself.

I can never understand people who export all  of their garden waste. Even if it gets used,   I just think, what? That’s organic  matter. That’s nutrients. That’s   carbon you could be adding to the  soil. Where’s it? You want that. And then later down the road,  you have to buy soil or compost. Well, exactly.

All of my potting soil that I buy  in or a lot of it where I’m using,   potting up big containers, I mix it half  and half with my own garden made compost.   And that saves well obviously saves half the  amount, doesn’t it? So it’s really worth doing.

Continuing on the best location for  a vegetable garden. Can you talk a   little bit about water accessibility?  And storage of tools or garden tools? Yeah, absolutely. I think there are sort  of tools that you use a lot or all the  

Time in the veg garden that you should  always have quite close by: Pruners,   a border fork, maybe hand trowel, that  kind of thing, little weeding tools. And if you can have a little stash, maybe in a  garden bench with one of those benches with a kind  

Of enclosed seats with built in storage, that’s  worth having. It’s the same thing of the idea of   having it close to the back door of your house. If  you’ve got tools right where you need them, you’re  

Going to be more inclined to do that work when it  needs doing rather than traipsing somewhere else. As far as watering goes yes, the closer to a water  source, the better. And if you can collect as much  

Rainwater as you can, that’s even better. Now,  I know there are different rules around that in   different states, aren’t there? But I think most  states are pretty encouraging of harvesting your   own rainwater. In, in our garden, the, our  faucet, we call them “taps” here,  

Our faucet is around the front of our house,  and I have to have a sort of 80 metre, 200 yard   long hose that coils around to go right round the  house to get to the veg patch, which isn’t ideal.

So, if you can source it near a a water source,  that’s always going to save you a lot of problems. Have you ever heard of the workout  called a “farmer’s carry”? I haven’t, no, no. Well, I have nine 50-gallon rain barrels.  But you know, they’re on the corners of  

My different buildings, and not every  garden is close to the rain barrels. So a farmer’s carry is where you carry  something very heavy in both hands and   you walk basically. So, I do not need  to go to the gym because I have my  

Two 5-gallon buckets filled with water in  each hand and I’m walking around the yard,   but it is much easier when the  plants are near the water source. Yeah, that’s a really good idea. I’ll  have to sort of look into that because  

That’s the great thing about gardening is it  saves you money on your grocery food bill,   but it also saves you money on your gym  bill, doesn’t it? So going to the gym. So we talked about where we’re  going to put the vegetable garden,  

And now we should probably talk about  what the vegetable garden looks like. Raised beds are very popular now. What are your   favorite aspects of a raised  bed, and are there any cons? They have become hugely popular in the  last, I don’t know, probably 20 years  

Actually. But there’s nothing wrong with  growing directly in the ground either. I,   personally, I like raised beds because I,  I guess I have a fairly methodical mind. I like things being ordered. I quite  like spreadsheets. So, raised beds are  

The gardening equivalent of spreadsheets. They  create order. It means you can allocate one bed   very specifically to one crop or family of crops.  So it makes rotation of crop families a lot easier   each year. But probably the main thing is, in my  particular circumstance, I’ve got very wet winters  

Here and it can get completely sodden, the soil  really, really soaking, and having raised beds   actually means the soil does dry out that little  bit quicker. And because it dries out that much   quicker, it warms up a little bit earlier in  the spring as well. So that’s a huge advantage.

I guess the disadvantages would be cost.  And there’s a bit of effort involved in   installing them because my garden is on a bit  of a slope, so I have to dig them in so I get  

A nice level surface. And I don’t find a huge  problem, but some people say you can get slugs   kind of hiding in the, between the plank and  the soil. But I’ve not really noticed that.  

Yeah. So I think the big thing though is ,  the order and the look of it really. I have   woodchip paths between my raised beds, and when  you’ve got sort of nasturtiums and sweet alyssums   overflowing amongst the vegetables,  it just, it’s a real place of beauty.

What size should a bed or a raised bed be? So generally, I aim for a maximum  width of about 4 feet, or 1. 2 meters,   and that just means that whatever side you’re  on, you can easily stretch across and reach the  

Middle of the bed without stamping all  over it. Now, if you’ve got good soil,   there isn’t really anything wrong with  lightly stepping on it from time to time,   but it just means you are doing everything from  the side and you’re really concentrating your  

Efforts. As far as length goes, I mean really it’s  as long as you’re comfortable walking around and,   you know, so you don’t have to sort of walk  for miles without stepping on the bed. So I   think that’s probably a good kind of size  to aim for. I know a lot of gardeners who  

Just grow in ground beds without using raised  beds, not having sides built up, but again,   they stick to this 4ft/ 1. 2m wide width with  paths in between and then just put all the   organic matter obviously on the beds themselves  and it just concentrates it really nicely there.

When you say “raised bed,”  how tall do you like a bed to be? Not massively, but I would say 6 inches is a good  height. Well, it depends. My raised beds are on   what was lawn, so there’s soil under there.  So the roots can go down into the native soil,  

No problem. If you were to have a raised bed  on a hard surface or really bad, poor soil,   you might want to go a bit taller, say a foot,  to give that kind of extra growing area. But   if you’ve got good soil underneath,  then 6 inches is more than enough.

In the near future, in MOTHER EARTH NEWS  Magazine, there’s going to be an article where   I interviewed a couple of gardeners from The Farm  at Okefenokee, who we’ve been partnering with,   and they created 365 raised beds. But the designer  made it so that the beds come together like a  

Labyrinth. And some of the beds are butted up  against each other so they’re like a giant L. And   the gardeners were saying that when they’re inside  of that L, they can’t reach all the way across. Okay. Yes. Yes. So there’s a flaw to that design..

Yeah. Yeah. It sounds it doesn’t it? It sounds a  formidable design for 365 beds. That’s a, gosh,   they must have a good team working  there to keep on top of them all. So we’re talking about the beds. Is  there a good way to prioritize what  

You grow and where? I’m assuming you want  big stuff in the back or in the middle. I guess, first of all, it’s always worth  making a list of what you actually like   eating. I mean, there are people who  grow things and then sort of realize,   oh, I don’t actually like beets or whatever.

But assuming you’ve got that list and you’re  very keen to get going, in my temperate climate,   I would put the taller stuff towards the  back so that it’s not overshadowing stuff   further forward. And that’s, that’s a kind  of logical progression. And having things  

In the same bed that don’t out-compete each  other or that are a similar kind of size. I’m also quite a big fan of companion planting.  Garlic, for example, is meant to repel quite   a lot of aphids, like green peach aphid and  potato aphid. So it makes sense to grow them  

In or very close to your potatoes to kind of  ward off aphids from them. So you can get quite   clever and save a lot of heartache later on by  just considering what might benefit another. I’m a huge fan, and only in  the last few years, really,  

Of growing lots more flowers in my beds. So I  have things that kind of spill over the sides.   I’ve mentioned nasturtiums and sweet alyssum, but  tagetes (marigolds) and calendula as well. And   then poached egg plants, which has got really  kind of beautiful, like sunny-side-up poached  

Egg flowers. Those are really attracting  to things like hoverflies and lacewings,   and these guys then keep the pests down, so  that’s another thing to consider as well. Yeah. I think we can save  ourselves a lot of bother   if we kind of take note of companion planting.

Are the poached egg plants  edible or just ornamental? Yeah, those are just ornamental. Quite a lot of  the others are. I mean, nasturtium, famously,   you can eat all of it. And the petals, I think,  of tagetes and calendula are good to go too.

You mentioned taller stuff in the back, but can  you talk a little bit about, you’re in the UK,   and many of our listeners and  readers are in North America,   Canada and the US. Can you talk about North and  South and tall things in their relationship?

Yes, so are we talking about  North and South of the U. S.,   or are we talking about, as in,  direction, north, south, east, west? I was thinking about, like, in your raised bed,   you probably don’t want to have  tall things on the southern end.

I see what you mean. Yeah, that’s  right. So the tall things would be   in the northern end because the sun would pass  by everything into the south end of the beds,   if you see what I mean. And that avoids  overshadowing. My summers aren’t terribly  

Hot. Last this summer we’ve just had has  been unusually cold. So we’re talking high   sixties being quite a warm day. Then last  summer was ridiculously hot and we had   the highest temperatures ever, nudged  the high 90s, which is very unusual.

So I guess you can’t always predict what your  summer is going to do. But in my instance,   I presume it’s going to be not so great and  therefore go on the assumption that we want   as much sunshine to get in there as possible.  And so you kind of grading shortest to tallest.

But then there are some shady areas I’ve got. So  if you’ve got an area that’s slightly overshadowed   by a tree or that casts a long shadow,  and that is great for most brassica crops,   things like cabbage. Also chard and some salads  as well, like lettuce and endive and so on.

In addition to knowing what you’d  like to eat before you plant stuff,   what would you say are the best beginner  vegetables and herbs to start with? Yeah, good question. There’s two that  immediately spring to mind, which is zucchini,  

What we call “courgettes.” They are  kind of bomb proof, so long as you grow more   than one. And I say that because you get not great  pollination if you just have one on their own. And   if you’ve got two or three close by, there’s  more chance of male and female flowers being  

Open at the same time. So if a cluster of those,  and you’ll be picking fruits all summer long. Climbing beans is an absolute must, I  would say. It’s really satisfying as a   beginner gardener as well to see them  climb so quickly. They go from sort  

Of a foot high to head height within a  month once they get going, don’t they? Potatoes are very straightforward so long as you  can water them. And then a lot of the salads,   especially the mixes of salads. So I  like those cut-and-come-again salad  

Mixes. It’s got several things in there  in the packet so nice and thinly and you   get essentially a salad bowl  to pick within a month or so. I really love beets as well partly because  they’re quite expensive to buy, but they just  

Taste so gorgeous growing yourself. And they  are quite straightforward to grow. I like to   grow them in little clumps. So I grow 3 to 5 beet  roots together, and then you get a little clump,   and they push themselves apart, and you can  just twist out the biggest and leave the  

Others to grow on. That’s really satisfying.  Those are probably my main recommendations. I was thinking about broccoli. Sometimes it’s  difficult to get a head on them. But yeah,   I don’t know of any place  that sells broccoli leaves,   which can grow very large and are also  edible and also tastes like broccoli.

Absolutely. Yeah, the leaves are just like,   you can use them like kale, can’t  you? And they’re, they’re gorgeous. I mean, that’s the point. Sorry,  I forgot my favorite leafy green,   which is Swiss chard. So chard is  amazing because it’s just keeps  

On going. And if you crop it carefully,  it can carry on for pretty much a year. With the broccoli, I found this, if we’re  talking about summer broccoli that we’re   harvesting the lovely green heads, then  I just find the trick is to keep them  

Really well watered and relatively  cool if you’re in a warmer climate. Is there a single vegetable or herb  that is very difficult to grow? Yeah, look, I’m going to come clean here.  It’s a bit of an embarrassing thing to admit,  

But I find cauliflower probably the trickiest  to grow. Now, I’ve got some started off now   in the greenhouse to kind of overwinter,  and they look, they’re doing really well,   so I’m cautiously optimistic, but it’s going  to be hoping my first success with them.

I always find they get kind of mangled by those  caterpillars. So, I mean, that’s partly me being   lazy, not covering them. I’m going to give it  a go. But cauliflowers, I would say is tricky. One thing that people often find tricky is  cilantro or coriander. But the main reason I  

Think for that is it’s often sown too early in  the season. I find that if you sow it kind of   late summer as the days are getting shorter, it’s  less likely to bolt, like flower prematurely. So  

If you’re after lots of lovely leafy growth for  Asian recipes, for example, or salsas and so on,   then sow it later in the summer, keep it well  watered again and you’ll find that you’ll get lots  

Of lovely leafy growth, as opposed to sowing it in  the spring when it just goes straight and flowers. I’ve got another one for our beginner crop:  garlic. It’s a real beauty, garlic. If you’re   in a temperate climate, then it can be planted in  the autumn, in the fall. And you know, it, sort  

Of just grows no matter what. It’s a beautiful,  I’m still enjoying my garlic from the summer now. So it’s the beginning of 2024 now, and you  just mentioned that your cauliflower is inside. That’s right, yeah, just in the  greenhouse ticking over, yeah.

Do you recommend beginners to start off  with seeds or seedlings? Or if they’re   doing either one of those, do they need to have  a separate space, like a greenhouse or indoors? So obviously a greenhouse is a  bit of a luxury. Not everyone   can can have the space for that or the resources.

A good halfway compromise is what’s called a  “cold frame.” So it’s a sort of ground   level kind of miniature greenhouse almost. I like  having somewhere separate to start off seedlings   because it means that I can overlap crops. So I  can have something in the ground but be starting  

Something off away from the vegetable garden  so they can go straight in once they’re ready. But as a beginner gardener, you really don’t  need any of that. You can start with little   sort of plant starts or seedlings. They’re  widely available in most garden centers and  

Stores. There are some things that are  worth sowing directly: any root crop,   so parsnips, carrots, and beets, always good  to sow directly. And many salads as well. I don’t know if people in the  U. S. or Canada enjoy parsnips.

Oh, really? Oh, no! Well, gosh, maybe you guys  are having it all wrong. I lived in Portland,   Oregon for nine months back in 2000,  and we had Thanksgiving dinner together,   which I absolutely love Thanksgiving as  a thing. I just wish we had that here.  

All the good food and family without  all the fuss and presents and stuff. Anyway, I thought I’ll bring a dish to the  table, and I presented parsnips. And it was   the sort of a curiosity at the dinner table,  and I love it. Roasted with a bit of thyme,  

Little bit of honey and some olive oil,  and so it goes all sticky , and, oh,   it’s the royalty of vegetables. If I can get  you guys to grow more of it, then please do. I know Brussels sprouts and cabbage  are botanically the same thing,  

And sometimes people think those  are, you know, the stepchilds,   but I know a lot of people who love  roasted Brussels sprouts and shredded   cabbage and things like that. But I don’t  know if parsnips have been able to recover. Yeah, well, they’re, they’re the highlight  of our our Christmas dinner here, I reckon.

If people are starting with seeds, do  you recommend them to to space them   out to delay the sowing of the seeds,  so you aren’t bombarded with 50 beets? Oh, I see what you mean. Yes, I see what you  mean. So you’re like succession sowing. So  

You’re sowing a little bit every, maybe two or  three weeks. Definitely, yeah. This is where   garden planning comes in handy because you kind  of almost do want a plan to sort of work out   what you’re going to sow when, and so you’re  planning how much you’ll harvest ultimately.

But yes, so there are some things that are quite  quick growing and that you want a steady supply   of. So many salads like salad onions or scallions,  radishes, for example. Roots as well like carrots   and beets. Things that you can’t store very well,  very easily, and then you want a steady supply of,  

Yes, definitely. It’s one of the reasons, for  example, I like plants like chard. You can   harvest regularly from the same plant, and it  doesn’t need resowing, whereas spinach does . I would recommend spacing out  your sowings for that reason,   especially if you’ve got a nice long growing  season, probably like your good self.

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No download needed, and learn more at  _GardenPlanner.MotherEarthNews.com_ We’re back with Ben Vanheems . On our MOTHER EARTH  NEWS social media platforms, like Facebook and   Instagram, we encourage you to ask future guests  questions. Here are some that we received for Ben. Annie asks: “Where I live,  our forecast for spring is going  

To be cooler and wetter than average. What  should I do to prepare my vegetables?” Honestly, I don’t think you can predict the  weather more than seven days in advance. Can they even predict seven days in advance?

Well, maybe, maybe not. So I mean, it’s fun, isn’t  it, to try and have a guess at what it’s going   to be. I would say, please don’t worry. Assume a  normal spring. But if you are thinking it’s going  

To be a cold, then you might want to think about  sowing as usual at the normal times, but having   it kind of in the back of your mind that you might  need to re-sow if the first batch doesn’t succeed.

It’s always worth, I always try to  push my luck by sowing a little bit   earlier than I should. Looking at the kind of  immediate forecast for the next 7 to 10 days,   with the knowledge that it might be  a complete failure and I might need  

To re-sow, but why not try your luck  if the seeds are relatively cheap. But I guess, I guess you’ll know pretty  quickly as spring progresses whether   it’s going to be cold and how soon  it’s going to crack and turn warm.

On the other end of the spectrum, Joelle asks:  “What is the best way to cope with a dry,   hot summer? Any tactics that  can be planned for?” Yes, absolutely. I think the first thing is to love your soil,  and by that I mean lavish it with lots of  

Organic matter generally, so you’re building  up organic matter content within the soil,   and that ensures it holds onto moisture much  better. The other thing is mulch, mulch, mulch. So   I got into using grass clippings recently because  they’re nice and light, and I spread them thinly  

In between my vegetables, and they disappear  quite quickly into the soil, but then I add more,   and that just keeps the surface slightly cooler,  shaded if you like, and keeps the moisture in. Just make sure you’re watering either at the  start of the day or later in the afternoon so  

That the plants can drink it up and they’re  not struggling. And of course there’s things   to deploy like shade cloth, or being clever  with where you plant things. I know that,   especially in the West, you guys have had  some pretty gnarly droughts recently. I  

Think it’s sort of broken, hasn’t it,  recently? But yes, it’s a concern,   and it’s even a concern here. We had a really  hot summer last summer and, you know, it really   tried our patience. It made me feel for people in  Texas and so on, how you must struggle with that.

Regarding the watering, sometimes when it’s  really hot and dry, the plants will have this   afternoon wilt. Is it bad to water them? If  the soil’s wet, should you still water them? Well, yeah, so I noticed that things like squash  family plants like zucchini and tomatoes as well,  

You get this kind of afternoon wilt. And it’s  a kind of a a coping mechanism on behalf of the   plant often related to the heat. It’s  nothing to worry about. If in doubt,   stick a finger into the soil , an inch or  two down where the roots are and check. Is  

It moist? If it is, then you don’t need  to worry about it. It’s just responding   to the heat. If it’s dry and dusty, then  be sure to get on the water that evening. Kenny Gill asks: “Is there a way you can  plan to minimize pest attacks organically?”

Yeah, so I mentioned earlier about companion  planting, making sure that you’re including   lots of pest predator attracting flowers, and  lots of herbs do that as well: parsley, cilantro,   dill, and fennel. These the flowers are really  attractive to pest predators. That’s one tactic.  

Unfortunately, I don’t think you can grow many  brassicas without netting now, or insect mesh,   that kind of really fine mesh. So I do cover  those sort of plants as well, to keep them off.   And I find that just keeping plants in good health  ensures that they can shake the worst of it off.  

And you can buy so many resistant varieties that  are resistant to, well, diseases specifically. This summer, I had a surprise where  my tomatoes outdoors got wiped out by   blight. And then this one plant was  kept on growing, it’s smashed back,  

And producing more tomatoes. And I looked  at the variety and realized it was blight   resistant. So you can do a lot of that  kind of clever selection of varieties. Another tactic actually is to plant and grow  outside of the main pest attack season. So  

I find that early summer is a good time  for a lot of brassicas. So I get an early   crop of broccoli before the cabbage white  butterflies, the cabbage worms, are out and   about. There’s a lot you can do, actually.  And just being vigilant as well, going out,  

Picking things off, and reacting  quite quickly when you see a problem. One other thing is having the belief that  the pest predators will come. My beans   every single summer get covered in black fly  for the first few weeks of summer. But then,  

Honestly, another few weeks on, there’s the  ladybugs all over them, devouring them up,   so if you provide the right conditions for  a good balance of wildlife in your garden,   then you’ll find pest problems  are fewer and far between. Sometimes with new gardeners, their eyes  are bigger, not only than their stomachs,  

But also bigger than their garden. And let’s say  somebody is mesmerized by blue cherry tomatoes,   but then they also like the yellow pear  tomatoes, and then they also like the   big stripey tomatoes. I think the problem is  when you buy a seed packet, you get 50 seeds,  

Or 200 seeds. How would you plan that? Do you do  five of everything? Do you do 10 of everything? There’s two ways around that. A local garden  center literally up the road sells a pick-and-mix,   like a supply, lots of different  varieties. And you buy one plant,  

You know, match them up. And they’re quite  affordable, like $1. 50 per plant. So that’s   actually quite reasonable if you consider how  much fruit you’ll be getting off them. I did   that this summer in my greenhouse;  I bought eight different varieties,  

One plant of each and had great crops, and  it was lovely just having that variety. But if you want to grow them from seeds, I mean  the thing is to remember that most seeds will   store for at least two, often three+ years. You  could say have five varieties, start off and have  

Three of each . So 15 plants in total, carefully  fold up the seeds, store them somewhere cool with   those little sachets of desiccant to kind of keep  it nice and dry, and then have the same next year.

So it’s, it’s nice to be curious. It’s nice  to have those eyes bigger than your space or   whatever, but yeah, you know, give it a go. It  doesn’t matter how much of anything you grow,   as long as there is enough space for what you  are growing, because it’s a false economy to  

Cram everything in and think, oh, just one more  plant. And we all do it. I’ve done it. And it just   results in poorer harvests and disappointment. So,  yeah, if you can get the spacing right, go for it. All right. Thank you so much,  Ben Vanheems. It was a great  

Discussion about how to plan a garden  for 2024. So thank you once again, Ben. Thank you so much, Kenny. I  really appreciated it. Thank you. Thanks for joining us for this episode of Mother  Earth News and Friends. To listen to more podcasts   and get connected on our social media, visit  _www.MotherEarthNews.com/Podcast_. You can  

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