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Join us at Grass Roots for an informative & interactive landscape design seminar with renowned landscape designer Gerald Stephens! With over 50 years of experience in landscape design, Gerald helps take the guesswork out of creating a balanced, beautiful outdoor space that you’ll enjoy during every season. Gerald shares his top tips and tricks for enhancing the beauty and functionality of your garden and lawn.

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Hey good morning everybody good to see y’all down here at Grassroots ton of smiling faces I appreciate you taking a little bit of time out of you Saturday to come down here and join us I know it was a little hard for me to get out of

Bed this morning when that rain that rain was coming down we got a little bit of liquid sunshine it’s been a crazy week we had 80 80° and then down back down to 40 but that’s kind of our our traditional Springtime weather around here but so we got Mr Gerald Stevens

Back with us again today going to talk about landscape design one of my favorite things to talk about because I studied landscape design years and years ago and landscape design is really it’s really interesting and it’s critical to planning out your garden and the thing I loved about the most was every customer

And every yard is always different but I love to get to know the customers to find out what they were hoping to accomplish out of their yard SL Garden it’s just a ton a ton of fun but I’m going to turn it over to Mr Gerald here

And let him tell us all about it buddy it’s all yours oh does everybody have one of these yeah we put them right up front soon as you come in the door and as always miss Connie’s got her famous popcorn back there we got some donuts and coffee so y’all help yourselves and

Enjoy and it’s all yours buddy a guy told me yesterday it was such a miserable day and he said this makes you appreciate the spring and I said you are right it definitely does um and one of the most important things is the first thing on the list here um is where is

The Sun and um when I was you know I’ve never had any formal training L design but I love it and I’m kind of falling into it but um people would come into Old retail when I was a kid and uh bring in a a blueprint and

Photographs and I would just terrify cuz I I knew I couldn’t I didn’t know why but I couldn’t help them with a design I mean I could give them Basics across the front you know roll box some you know something big on the corners and um but

I couldn’t give any feel to it and but I didn’t know that’s what it was well the main thing about it and is I have to see where the sun is I cannot design a yard unless I know where the sun’s coming from well it’s probably

50% of the people in this world are directionally challenged and you know who you are probably and I married one and I didn’t see everybody in my team it was seven of us and all seven of us my mother father and five kids we were n of us were

Directly challenged and if you’re not if you’re directly challenged you don’t understand this but um you know where you are kind of at all times from from the Sun you know North Southeast and West well people would come in the nursery and hand me a set of blueprints

And photographs and say well uh can you help me with this and I said well let me see I said well where is the sun and the what wife will say Well it comes up over there in the morning no he no it comes

Up over that so I knew we had trouble on the both of them directly challeng but that’s one of the most important aspects of it uh and it’s funny even on a old cast day normally I’m still know where I am you know but that is very important

Um if nothing else get you a compass and uh and find out where North Southeast and West is people say well the Sun goes like this and I said no it goes like this and uh but it does go in the in the winter time uh it is going to be

Lower um and then in the summer it’s going to be High um June 20th is it it’s height is that right I think it is that’s the first day of summer but anyway um that is so very p in a yard is how much Sun

Of shade it is um and so we’ll Jump Right In on grasses and uh everybody wants grass everywhere and I’m going no no no you can make a yard look so much better if you have areas of grass but then most landscape designers they will Design all

These beds in their yard kidney shape round and all these kind of odd shapes and everything and then they’ll just let grass fill in cracks well I like to in each designer develops his own little quirks and one of my quirks is I like to design my

Grass first and I’ll even go into an old yard and you’ll see um you know trees everywhere and grass kind of fading in and out under the trees and everything and so I want to Define that grass so that the grass looks crisp and and defined and then your beds look crisp

Inine and so what I kind of suggest is we all know how how uh Golf Course green looks from the sky and that’s that’s comfortable it’s pretty it’s got curves real nice and all and then it um it doesn’t have a tree in the Middle with a

Circle around it either and uh that’s what most people want to do put a Tre right in the middle of the yard and put a circle around and pass me crazy um first of all a tree um 90% 95% of the roots are within

6 in of the top of the ground you know we think oh they go deep know so this tree just has roots everywhere you know I can’t um I can’t grow anything under well the tree is trying to tell you tell you something there uh but anyway

Um we need to select the grass my favorite grass is one of the zes and there are a lot of varieties out there uh there are a lot of new varieties and uh there are some of the old ones the oldest variety we have is emerald zoria

And it is probably the best of all of them uh it’s it’s real stiff it’s real fine bladed and it will grow grow in almost Darkness but now don’t try that but I’ve got one landscaper he can he said I may grow in dark and uh if he fertilizes it

Enough and cares for it enough but um Ur is probably the most disease resistant insect I don’t think any insects bother it um mole crickets might but I doubt it but um it’s just a tough grass and it looks very much like for grass it’s hard to tell the two

Apart and what I tell people I said all right if you don’t know what it is have you ever laid on on it on your back on it in with a t-shirt on and is it prickly they said yeah I said you got you got emge

In cuz Bermuda is real soft and uh but emal is it’s a little stiffer it’s beautiful though but um the thing about em is it’ll take a lot of shade and when I say a lot of shade not that but you see

I say 3 to 4 hours of full sun a day um where Bermuda takes a lot more a whole lot more probably takes more than I would suggest there five four to six but um uh we don’t want to just have shade I mean have grass

Everywhere you want it to shade and it’s kind of like I don’t want to like a carpet in way and you have the beds around it and you can make it look a whole lot better than having having a little bit of grass that looks good

Rather than having a lot of grass and none of it looks great except some maybe in the full sun or something like that and it’s easier to mow when you got it you know where you got it and doesn’t fade in and out under the trees and

Um so then um Bermuda is what you see in most of the Yards that have been put in commercially and um it takes the most son of all and Bermuda needs mowing to really get it do good and need mow twice a week if you mow once a week for two days

And three days it’s going to look Scout you m it twice a week you don’t have to bag it and you can in other words you probably use if you more twice a week rather than once a week and baging it you’re probably going to take less time

So um R is not bad if you do it like that but if you have to bag it and all that and then it scalp look it it’s not worth it for me uh and it it needs that constant mowing it’s a golf course grass don’t ever try my seeding

Bermuda you will be very disappointed and next year you won’t have any cuz it won’t make it through the winter the seed we sell now well we’ve always sold is actually uh grown in Arizona more of a tropical not tropical but warmer climate and it won’t

Take our cold here and you’re going to lose it so don’t try to grow REM in okay centipede that used to be at least 75% of our yards U but we don’t see it as much is that anymore we probably have it’s probably about 30% of our yards now um for years we

Fought die back in in Sun we didn’t know what it was Clemson University of Georgia Auburn Bron State all were trying to figure it out for the first 10 years years we sold more neemon for nematodes in C and you can s that stuff y’all is dangerous it was bad I can’t

Believe we could sell it you think chorane is bad it was really bad DD I like DDT but anyway it was bad stuff but that didn’t do it we thought it was and it didn’t do it so for the next 10 years we sold something for brown patch

Fungus and dcel and we sold tons of dcel and that didn’t do it uh we kept having D back we would say it was a seven-year grass after five to seven years it just start dying out on you well finally I don’t know which university but I’ve told you all about

This but all the agricultural universities in the Southeast compare notes so they don’t duplicate which is very good and then they share so that they don’t have to do it themselves and one of the universities I think it was North Carolina State but I’m not sure they found that centipede we used to

Call it the Lazy Man’s grass because you didn’t have to goow it much cuz it doesn’t grow very tall um but what we found out is that if you don’t blow it very often like every two weeks or so it still looks pretty good but it will grow on top of itself

And then it’ll form this mat under it and it’s kind of sitting up on it and you walk on it and it’s so plush and nice and then next spring you have these big dead areas what it is is it’s not laying on the ground ground it’s laying

Off the ground and the cold gets under it and kills it and we have big dead spots and that was it the whole time we just didn’t realize it so it’s what we they told us is to mow it weekly whether you want to or not and mow it extremely

Low um you know how you never want to say my mother-in-law taught me something she would buy this little $99 lawn more she would pay over $99 for it and Lord of the wheels as low as it would go and drag that thing behind her

And that sun of be was gorgeous it just thrived never had a dead area in it because she kept it m low and off and uh and that work and if you never fertiliz CED it’d probably still be fine but um so that’s one of the rules two two rules

For C more very low and at least weekly and you’ll you’ll probably have a good yard okay St Augustine y’all Us South carolans call it Charon bre Charleston PR um and it’s the same as St Augustine of course there are several varieties of it but the thing about St Augustine we’re having a

Problem now and it’s called take all and it takes all and you can spray it to suppress the problem but you cannot kill the problem so once you get it you’re going to have it I had one lady over gusta can’t believe she’s not here cuz she comes all the time but

Anyway she tried everything and she tried all the natural things too and I really thought she was going to get on top of it um Pete Moss is is a swagnum moss which makes Peet Moss is a natural out not natural fungicide um and she would get guys out there

With Peete moss and rubbing it together and spreading it all out we thought she had it but she didn’t um another another pharmacist a he uh he’ heard that corn gluten would work so he got uh he said he got a 50 lb bag of

Um of U Hush Puppy beans and and he put it out on his yard he said I look like one great big hush pepper one up and uh but he said it did it did help it slowed it down but take call is a problem so if

You don’t have St Augustine don’t go after it and they say they’re coming out with a resistance strain but I would let time tell me for that I would go with a different place um but zoria there’s like I said there’s several Zoras and zor is my

Favorite um you still need to probably mow it weekly and low people let grasses get up to and here’s the problem the gust Chronicle used to be Terri terrible about this they would take a article from Michigan State and print it down here and it would be totally unrelated

To us it would say we mowing our La too low you know we need to more 3 to 4 Ines high and all this stuff of course they’re talking about Fescue and black grind BL R stuff like that which doesn’t have anything to do with but people

Don’t realize that so make sure you go with suggestion from University of Georgia of Clemson by the way let’s see if she was able to do that um right at the bottom of the sheet it says Clemson home Garden information center um y’all need to look that up

That is very informative you I’m going to be talking on trees here in a minute and the Deep thing is it was going through all the different Oaks and that that new they post something every week and um they were going through all the different oak trees so that was very

Helpful it it’s just kindy you can actually look up stuff and find problems on that University of Georgia has one too um I’m partial to Clemson for some reason but okay um trees Dog Wood y’all now this is definitely not a complete list this is just some suggestions and we’re going to

Go through if y’all have questions on uh different ones let me know dogwoods y’all our native Dogwood is in sad shape and it doesn’t look like it’s going to improve um when we were 50 years ago when we first started the nursery uh we didn’t know about powery mildew on dogwoods

Power mildew looks like a power mildew on dogwoods it looks like a c par on the on the leaf and um that was not affective do Woods well it used it’s what we call a tropical disease it would come out of Miami and Homestead Florida and then they’d make it up here about

Midsummer a little bit it would affect a few things then the coal would kill it and go back down so now it’s cold resistant and it’s staying up here and it’s affecting our trees Dogwood is one that’s definitely affected hydranges all a lot of things are affected by it but dogwoods are just

Succumbing to it y’all and it’s one of my very very favorite landscape trees um but there are some HS that work pretty good but let me just tell you if you want regular Dogwood um I don’t even know if Jad knows that I’m sure they probably do but

Uh do not plant it in full sun it is an undor tree and here’s what will surprise you is that it’s the trunk on the tree that gets damaged okay you know we we want to dog over a r tree and you know Branch it up here well when the Sun hits that

Trunk it blisters the bark and it kills the tree but you don’t see it or four or five years you can’t tell it’s blister and then uh then it gradually just declines and you can’t tell why well if we leave the branches low to the ground it Shades itself and it helps but

Just don’t put it in full sun and you’ll say well the prettiest dog would I’ve ever seen is in full sun and that’s probably true but you look at it it’s probably 15 ft high and 25 ft wide cuz it’s shading it’s bark and so be aware of that um dogwoods do not

Like much and all planted around them they’re extremely sensitive to The Round Up um so don’t put any Roundup around them um and we just had to learned that but you know I still is still one of my favorite trees but um it does get not

Only powdering me do it gets in fros which is another Lea spot um and then succumbs to that Suns skull on the bar and uh it’s it’s just a wheat tree and we tried to force it into full sun and it doesn’t like it but you put it in uh

The shade and it’ll do fairly good um but you just kind of be careful and you might have to spray it so just be aware of all that um yes with what um probably uh there’s this stuff over there called ftop ftop will take care of several

Problems it’ll take care of the p abil and it’ll take care of and to I believe and it’s underneath oh all over that’s hard to do but it’s in a other words it has the applicator already on it you just hook to a hose and that and start

As soon as you see leaves coming out and um spread a cup every a couple weeks just me we have a probably old and shade you know gets enough do you put ferti can you put fertiliz stakes in the ground to help okay instead of using the stakes use the stuff they’re

Carrying our fertilizer the 2149 is much better than the stakes got more um got your minor elements in it the stakes done and it won’t burn and you just thow right on top of the mold what was that kind of it’s called 2149 or super slow

Okay they sell it the 50 lb bag do we have a bag up here okay well we’ll show it to you okay but you will love it we literally use it for everything in the yard um including the grass okay it last one year 12

Months um how of you have to put it out one time uh it’s it’s it’s almost unbelievable it’s such a good fertilizer what it is is our commercial fertilizer that we use in the field um in containers uh you don’t want to have to

Go out every month or two and put t been fertilizer in in a million cans so they came up with this OS Co did first but OS Co did not last at all this is so much better than osod it’s got all your minor elements or your Trace elements we call

It it’s just wonderful stuff put it down throw it under there make it easy wow um actually anytime but now it’s real good this is probably ideas but um it is the best Rose food you’ll ever find the besta food you’ll ever find the best long food you’ll ever find and I’ve

Got testimonies in here a lot of people in here will testify to that it’s an incredible problem now we do suggest you lime too in other words lime is is as important as fertiliz oh it’s called f stop f s o it’s f for front yes stop Ste they’ got it over

There um but it’s a very good product it can be used on vegetables too so it’s I don’t want to say harmless it’s not but um it’s one of the better um products okay some of the Hy dog Woods are very very good very resistant yes

Sir I’m I’m not caring you at all I’m sorry that’s thank you one of my faithfuls here do not fertilize your loan until May no matter what what your um long long guy does do not fertilize until made um this is a wonderful product um and it’s it’s one of the more gentle

Products and this is a fungicide but it’s good on roses vegetables Tomatoes things like that but read your labels y’all don’t just with they they do that read your labels uh yes sir going back to your graph start put so show you have to use a read on

That they suggest On Em that you do use a real mower right but uh if you mow it with a sharp mow and and if it’s a really turning fast okay you can do it with a regular M I know my S my sister has that she does with a regular M and

It works pretty good and the guy that cuts for does it too with the reg um okay but some of the H do Woods are really nice um there’s one in particular that’s an evergreen dog with called Empress of China and um it it’s everen you know

That’s weird but it does Bloom different cu the flowers come up with the leaves and it’s not the traditional but it’s still pretty it’s wonderful um okay oak trees um that’s a hug huge subject and by the way that Clemson uh Clemson Home and Garden information center they went through all

A lot of the Oaks but um there are some Oaks that really do grow pretty fast um you get the live o of course it’s going to be slow as Christmas but um you know it’s it’s wonderful and aing is a um wonderful example of that with

The um what is that south bound oh south bound brother but um so picking out a tree you know the right tree some of the pins the Shar and let’s see what I nut all Shar um those are in the kind of the Pino family where they pointed on the

Leaves you know um and they make a good tree and they grow fast um they talking about 18 24 in a year so that’s not that slow um you know I’ve I when you’ve been in the business for 50 years it’s funny uh Downtown North aasa security F there

An oak tree down there about that big around and I planted that thing you know I’m going not really I’m definitely old when I see that tree I said I said that’s incredible but uh they do grown you know and oak tree is a nice tree um and when you say Live

Oak people don’t think it ever DW a leaves don’t tell me it doesn’t DW leav you got a live you know it does but um but it doesn’t lose them all I planted a for a guy called me one day he said Gerald you remember that big live my

Front yard he said well the storm blew it over he said I need to replace it cuz he said there’s a a street light that bling and he said it comes in my sun room and in my office and he said I got to have a

Tree I said okay I get you probably biggest thing I get you is a 6 in tree you know which is Big Tree you know and he said girl I’m 83 years old I need a tree and I said where you talking to the wrong person finally convinced me that I

So I I got him a 10 in tree and it was 30 ft tall and to get a crane in there and everything uh and had to stop traffic had to get a pay a policeman and all this stuff I went through it buddy but I

Told him before I had it all figured I said are you sitting down and he said yeah why I said because this is it we not negotiate price this is it and I told him he said he got real quiet for about 30 seconds and you said let’s do

It I was going oh no but we planted that thing and it turned out gorgeous he was very pleased with it we but like I said we had to get a crane to get it over all the wires we he got that tree it weighed

Um 8,000 lb I think he put that tree 90 ft in the air to get it over and cuz it was 55 ft from the street so you had to get it that’s a whole story about that I can write a book on that one but um

Uh so picking out a tree is important now there are a lot of trees and I didn’t go through near all of them let’s go through the maples uh Japanese maple is probably one of my favorite things in the world um and every yard has to have

At least one we have a lady that works for us in y her yard is probably 60 ft wi and 100 ft deep she’s got 75 Japanese maples in her yard and it looks good it looks good I have to say Mary I don’t know if y’all remember Mar

The workforce it’s hers and um but you can’t have too many that may be pushing it a little bit there but I’m picking out the right one they will take full sun but they don’t like it to C with you got to keep them hydrated

Y’all I don’t I I need to emphasize that every one of these to plant everything shall you cannot plant it to shall you can take it and take it out of the can and sit it on top of the ground without ever digging a hole it do just fine long

You keep it war and then going root down and you’ll be fine but you can BL it too deep and kill it in a skinny minute um and it doesn’t take that much to need to either stun it or kill it and everything needs to be planted shallow

Sh my son that works here he’s got a say he says plant it too low it will not grow plant it too high it will not die so you you plant it shallow everything you plant is shallow you know after the 50 years of trying to come up with easy

Ways to make people make things live I came up with two rules number one plant it high whatever you do plant it high leave the top short 1 2 3 in up and with a tree you wanted up 5 4 to 6 in and then water that’s it two things

And you you’re going to make it live if you do these two things you give it enough water in other words I look at a can it’s just a three gallon can I said it needs a gallon water every day for eight weeks of course this time of year

It doesn’t need that but in the summer time in Spring I got a third of the container size in warlock every day in other words if you give it two gallons of water you going to drown it if it’s sitting in PL you give it a half gallon

That’s not enough give it a gallon in other words you got to think like a tree think like a plant and so you need to make sure you don’t over waterer underwater that’s why we tell you how much to use um so do things you got to get prob now you can

Fertilize it you can put soil different soils in that com post and things like that but that’s not going to make it live making it live is PL shallow and water the proper amount of water every day well not every day so that’s a gallon of water a day okay just for when

You just plant it or it’s all like no that’s Gall or like the rest of that song like if you plant it in April and it’s going to be hot by then it needs a gallon a day in a from a 3 gallon can a gallon day every day rest of that

Sun and if it rains that’s you don’t have to give it that gallon but it’s not going to hurt you if you do but see if you give it two gallons and it’s in play you go ground so you got to know what you’re do and you know when I say a

Gallon that is a rule of the thumb you got to think about it see if that’s going to do it um sometimes that’s too much like a Japanese maple if it’s a 3 gallon can and I gave it a gallon a day that’s too Buck so you got of kind of

Weigh it out um some things going you know like a a is and boxs and Hol and things that’s kind of the rule of those when you come to specially things you may need to cut back some um yes sir well Landscaping backyard with trees and we have

Set for what the tank guys tell me you do not have to be aware of where it is don’t worry about it and I’m going to tell you why I think they’re right my second G line snakes between 100 foot pine trees and may p and all

Just all around through that it’s been there 35 years or 37 years now um and the trees actually drink the water and they don’t stop it up uh well we used to think well they stop it up but no they actually drink the water and they love

It it’s the kind they like um so don’t be so careful now where the tank is you don’t we plan on do the tank obviously not and um you don’t want to hit a line and dig into a line but you don’t have to be that careful

Now if it bothers yours don’t come to me everybody’s as unique you know people call me see is that tree going to fall it has a scar on the side and all this I said well I said if it were mine I’d leave it but if it falls don’t off

Me this everything’s so different and storms are different and everything okay the um Japanese have great oh is a neat tree you they may not have any but it is a it’s really a neat tree um it’s kind of different um cuz it it doesn’t look like

An oak but it’s got big leaves like this it it’s really really pretty um and it’s kind of rare um okay Maples uh well I think I I supposed to be down at well well there are literally hundreds of different varieties of Japanese BS I mean literally uh Ryan how

Many do you have uh in my personal 120 see in the nursery we probably got 30 to 40 different I’ve got a a guy over in West Lake and he’s got 137 different varieties of Japanese B yeah they are they uh so you know the sky’s the limit

There um try that Maple don’t go a lot about it but would be a small uh shap free and um all right let me go into Naes this is this is a tough I mean a hard subject to na if you will look at Native native Maple red Maples in parking lots around

Town 80% of them are hurting they’re damaged they have problems they are they’re dying and uh I looked at the tree and you see there’s this scale insect on them that’s killing them and um so I talked to do Dr Chung Clemson he told me what we could do

About it but finally it’s what I realized I mean there was these trees over austone that were like 8 10 in and we were injecting them with this chemical and all to kill the scale on and then in 5 years it was right back on them

Again b l tree right tree they have a research center up in Charlotte it’s like 600 acres and they just research everything about trees and everything you know what they figured out our native Japanese m is girdling itself under ground let me tell you why how

That happened okay uh and so when it girdles itself when it stresses these insects that scale that I thought was the problem is secondary these insects come in and attack this tree because it’s suffering uh it a tree puts out kind of like ferons not really Fon I

Don’t care what you call it but it’s definitely gas is what it is and it draws these scale insects and things like that well why are they giring under thegr they don’t do that in a while every tree grew up in a container a gallon can then we moved it

To a three gallon can then we planted it in the field fruits now why this one is so much more susceptible than anything else but it is uh a Japanese I mean a regular red pain and so it chokes itself underground under the three rows and it’ll get this

Big but eventually it’ll get it it doesn’t get every one of them cuz I’ve seen trees within 15 20 ft of each other one’s totally ate up with a scale other one’s totally fine um but it’s what we started doing uh at the nursery if we get them

In in 15 Gallons you know big can like this 8 10t tree we take them out of the can there’s the man right there she he would do it take them out of the can little more the ground make a saws on and cut them in three ways cut that root

System and that’s really tough on a tree especially if it’s kind of root down but we put it back in the can it would recover real quickly and you’ll never have that problem because we prevented the trees from girdling and it work like a charm so

That’s something if you consider a at M listen some of these Maples like October Glory summer Sunset Brandy Wine all those trees are gorgeous Tre but if you don’t do this at least 70 80% of them going L right so be careful I love them it’s one

Of my course it’s a native tree yes ma’am could I would probably take a Sal all leave it in the ground and um with the longest blade as you can find come away and hopefully you’re going to get girl um you don’t know that you will but

That would be the best thing if you see it already suffering all right what I see a lot of times is the scale on it and you can’t see it good because I’m a stained out to know what it looks like cuz it looks like a bar with just little tiny pimples on

But um sometimes when the bark is already coming off it’s too late if the Bark’s not coming off I will try I wish we had a chainsaw with a blade about that long but that would definitely do a chainsaw I’m going get one one day with carbide blades and do

That they have chainsaw put concrete now so but uh but that’s the story on the on our native Maples uh is is that’s a problem so um uh when you buy one want to go ahead and cut it okay and it’s still it’s still y’all it’s one of our our

Best um ornamental treat it’s not the best shade tree in the world I they they’re kind of a little bit air but it’s just a beautiful tree and the fall color is stunning all right sugar maple does not seem to have the problem uh I would probably still cut it

But it probably does it doesn’t GLE itself it’s just Red Maple and red maple y’all is a is a misn because it’s not red uh in in the summer if you look right now go out through the woods in the swamps you’ll see little red flowers deep dark maroon

Flowers right down they’re coming right down that’s why it’s called red B not because of the red leaves cuz it might not turn red in fall and it’s definitely not be read in the song um now there is one Maple SC called Scarlet King and you’ll see it in all the

Catalogs and this gorgeous red red baple all the time don’t bring it down s is not going to do well I’ve seen one or two that have struggled to live but it’s probably not going to make it I mean they’ll make it but it’s not going to be

Like it would be in in Maine or or New Hampshire or something that’s where it grows fine do grow good here because Scarlet King and there are a lot of varieties of it but don’t try to bring it South there’s a lot of things you don’t want to try to bring South that

You want to but you see in the books but don’t try to do that uh the sugar maple though is is good it’s slower than the red but it has a great Amber fall color um the red Maples y’all have a variety of colors October glory is probably one

Of the most stunning because it is October it is glowes in the dark almost just so B um but one of my favorite trees is a southern sugar M where is she there is uh she once ASA Barum and ASA um um lucer what’s Southern sh LM is the CH chalk

Thenb I think that’s the southern sugar okay Southern sugar is a for Barb but um it looks like a Japanese maple in a way kind of a little bit larger you know in other words not a straight trunk and a branch out like our Maple but I love that tree you will see

It along the saan river Bluffs where one in your backyard beautiful um and the s River Bluffs and um and but it is a native tree and it is very good um and so that’s a thought and that’s hard to find I don’t know if you find them with any

Size you can find Smalls but it’s even hard to find those um but that’s a special special tree weeping Willis how many have tried weeping Willis how many have lived I call it a 5 to 10 year tree let me tell you why it gets a disease

Called fusarium down here and it’s going to kill it in 5 to 10 years it is rare you see one over 10 years old now in 10 years it’ll be it’ll be 450 ft high but um you’re probably going to lose it because it gets f are in the

Soil uh cotton was planted so extensively that it inoculated the soil with with diseases and things like that that’s one of them and it will it will get weeping whe of cork scw whe is the same way um so if you want to plant one plant it but just don’t plant on it

Living forever uh and it’s a good tree but it it it is going to you can’t plan on it living Red Buds oh man I love red butts but people try to put them in full sun they don’t like it um and there are a lot of good

Varieties out there now and you just need to look up some but probably don’t put them in full sun I did see one um sheer what’s that one called um Sunrise what is it ring Sun no it’s Tokyo sunrise or something like that okay Rising Sun maybe Rising Sun now

That one took more sun it’s got kind of um yellowish Amber leaves it’s pretty and I saw it taking a fair amount of sun there’s the Weeping red but that’s beautiful but try not to force them into full sun um crab apples just do not perform here it’s too

Hot for them they don’t perform good um fling peirs you know that one next year it is out L other words you cannot plant a Bradford pair um in South Carolina after next year I wouldn’t plant one this year either terrible for um I don’t know if

Y’ you know it’s coming up from seed everywhere I mean you can find it in the woods exit 5 in North austa you’re coming from columia between the interstate and the um I bet there’s I said 500 in that one little they come up from SE and um it’s just

It’s just like and when they come up from see they have thorns about this long and uh they’re they’re mean so and they get fuser I’m not fuser they get fire blight fire blight is terrible and starts killing and um and then they have the little Berry that stinks the flowers stink you

Know and I think we’re probably a lot of the fult cuz we saw so many back in the in the in the 70s and 80s but don’t plan a grab um man you don’t like great burtles no cuz they come up so much okay well they great mles frown when you damage the

Root system it won’t Sprout if you don’t damage the root system but if try to plant under them or dig under they going to sprout right there where you Dam so she can prevent keep from that okay Craig myrtles one of my favorite favorite landscape trees and I hesitate to even say this

But we got a problem great ver scale um be watching out for it there is is is a solution not easy but um you can spray and help with it um if you run into it maybe contact me and I’ll try to talk you through it

Um we thought we we it was in Columbia for years not years you know probably five years and Dr Chung and I will kind of monitoring it and last year or year before I think two people came in with it in North Augusta and this it’s not good y’all it’s bad it’s a

Killer where are you I had seen it that much I have seen where you the older part the old greats yes you yes this Mark scale you’ll see it on the bark it’s pretty obvious yeah and well it will turn black the black comes from um the scale SE cream say sugary stuff

Called honeydew and then the black grows on it um gardas do this too but it’s a different problem um hackberry trees I don’t know if anybody’s got a hackberry tree but um it has a problem too with a um but C mle I still love them it’s like

It’s one of our few trees that do not get humongous been variety that is it’s going to get big um when I say big it’ll get um 30 30 ft anyway but it’s a beautiful tree shakes up good Blends all summer um NZ is one of the best

Because um it will not in the fall it keeps it photage pretty good it’ll have a beautiful fall car NZ is white but it grows big um I mean it’ll grow 30 ft it’ll be 20 ft wide just gorgeous canopy and Bloom all some but it’s a good tree you start seeing the

Problem I tell you what we diseas is going be the be the downfall of us Gerald yes I’ve got one that’s I think it’s n it was there before I bought the house 28 years ago and about a third of the trunk now is covered yeah my exterminator he said all

The things you do he’s been studying he took a class on it um and he wants to take a shot and say I can tell you there a product called safari um it’s a systemic you put it in the soil around the tree it look orb up

And it’ll get it yeah okay um and you have to order that probably online CU we can’t sell it at say well he because of his Safari is the way way to go yes Ro’s coming up like she’s talking about too um on a PR my when you damage the RO

You going to get that’s it you know like you plant something under it it’s going to Star the RO they going to come up there b Cyprus that’s just the nature of the Beast it’s going to have knees uh they’re coming up y’all it’s what it is like a Cyprus and like

Um the they come up air and that’s what the ball Cyprus is doing and you know we 50 years ago maybe one or 2% of our yards had an irrigation in now 90% of our yards have irrigation we wor too much we don’t realize it but we

Do we want to keep grass GRE but the trees going I can’t Brea can’t breathe so they’re trying to breathe lady called me she said Mr I’ve got 10 loads of uh top soil coming today to cover up roots on my tree my tree roots keep coming the

Ground and I said no no no don’t you dare I said you going carry your trees she said well the roots keep coming I said yeah they tried to get air and you’re trying to trying to cover them up you know you’re watering too much all

This stuff so um tree roots need to have that’s why I say don’t plant grass under and grass want to be under and trees don’t want grass under so don’t plant grass under uh M it good with a breathable mulch you know Pine star leaves or something like that you can

Use the the bar mulches but you don’t want to get so heavy with it cuz they can’t breathe through it they need to breathe um that’s what they’re they that’s why they send out on these lateral Roots so they can get a not water I mean they do want water too but

Got to have both um but let’s just work with CR M we had a problem that scared us completely to death called sudden o death syndrome um and that scared the southeast and now we realize it was already here and and caused hardly any problems over the c m scales don’t do

That but I doubt yes pleas right it’s the varieties they are just like kids every one of them going to be different well the variety will like n is you can kind of predict what it’s going to do but I don’t like the Reds and the pinks it it’s going to be

Different you know I kind of let it be that way it’s what I did we had a crank PE called a de East and that thing does not want to grow up at all um it wants to spread out almost as a ground cover but it’ll be we finally got ours

To be about 15 ft tall but what I did with that is I didn’t brace it at all and every time I see a Lim that was too low I try to clip it and I would try to just do that so it would be naturally supported by itself but then it

Would you just kind of play with it yes sir excuse me you can but if I try to even get by that bu CS but it’s it’s the it’s the nature of that tree that’s going to do like that excuse me right okay y’all um you know what prank mtle mder is

Who doesn’t know what great mle Mur okay you know when these Mowing and blow guys that don’t know what they’re doing and they need something to do in the winter time they come through and just cut your CRP mles down the studs that’s that’s CR

M work when we cut them down where they just big old saw it off with a chainsaw that’s PR and that one let me ask you something who you had the crack M were yours have a CRA murder okay cuz that does encourage you I mean that’s but I mean are they

The ones that have the scale on see World encourages them um it doesn’t necessarily cause it but see we can tree so that that can attack it so this thing you think they they think they’re smart but they’re dumb and cut your freeze back that is not good and that will actually

Encourage the problem we’re talking about for the schedule um okay about wear my that F stop F St yes ma’am we get it every year yeah you will well if certain varieties are very susceptible to it and I’m going to get it um all over yes start early and this

Will definitely help um if you get tired of that take free out and get one that does not have a problem thank you um sometimes you you know we’ve got varieties now like NAD is hardly I don’t think I’ve ever seen power on the nest there are certain pink and red ones that

Won’t get it either but it’s hard to find it’ll get rid of it yes but um but it’ll be back next year it’s not they can be cold tender I know that but cold tender yes but but they usually bear olives pretty good for what I understand tell the birds eat them

All what’s that tell the birds eat them all oh okay all right I need to move quickly here we’ already over over my well uh color I when I do landscape design I love color in the yard now um I like what we I call permanent color but uh if you do annual

Car um don’t bite off so much that you overwhelm yourself every spring and every fall in other words PS are great for that uh my wife does great with ptes and um that gives you some annual color you know Bonas and whatever in the spring and then pansies and whatever in

The fall um but when you pick out huge areas and probably if you like doing it that’s fine but I mean it’s a lot of work let me give you what you know these mowing blow guys one of them taught me something believe it or not he was he

Was um planning call for like a shopping center and you know they need a good bit he go get truck loads of of good potting soil and he just D it on top of the ground and plant his plants in that y’all that is one of the best

Things in the world to do here’s why now be careful don’t do it I had one person do it under under Japanese mly like to kill you because they slow to the roots but when you pile it in a pile and plant in top of it you cover up all the

Problems you cover up all the wheat seed cover all the disease and you got it right there um and this takes a little more water but so what if it’s going to make them look pretty and they raised a little bit make it enough so you don’t

Have to dig through it to plan in um or leave it up a little bit and uh it’s wonderful it works great and he was trying he was being lazy about it talk me less okay a perennial now listen week has been weeks on pums um I am not able perennial expert I

Know a lot about them but let me let me give you a few hints perennials are not normally color all Su they’re color for two three four weeks at a time I had one landscaper and he wanted to plant perennial call for these housing developments um so that he wouldn’t have

To do it and it would save him money the next year so they wouldn’t have to do it they were so disappointed cuz they saw very color perennials are more of a hobby and something people love to get into let me tell you it’s really NE

Because I had two ladies at the nursery probably two of the best perennial people in the Southeast Mary and Peggy and they knew perennials and they can tell you what does where you know it’s just it’s fun to get into it it really is it’s probably not a front yard thing

It’s probably more I mean you can do it in the front yard but do it in the area uh but it’s more of a backyard thing that you can really play uh and it’s fun to get into you got to read about them study about them figure out and you have

There a lot of trial and error you try them out and lose but you try them out they do right then you know this one’s a b you got to move it around and all I mean you know it’s fun but don’t plant perennials thinking you’re getting by with

Something cheap you don’t have to do it every year it’s going to be very disappointing and you’re not going to get a lot of color um it is colorful when it’s blooming but it doesn’t bloom all summer like Angels Angels usually bloom all summer now something like

Lantana that’s the easy man and your land that’s a good one what’s that salv yeah but see salv is depending on the Salvia they are not real show you know like Gara and GRE things like that um but the regular Sal is they’re very but they a I don’t I don’t know much

About are coming back already you need to share your your knowledge there um okay uh but but perennial is a whole different ballpark it’s fun to get into but don’t plan it for a lot of Big Splash of color that you don’t have and you can be lazy about and don’t have

Planted every year it’s not that it’s something you want to really get into is fun yes man and when you were talking about the um potting soil on top you that’s mostly for annuals you wouldn’t necessarily it is it will work for perals if you yeah it’ll work for perals

Long as you keep it hydrated y I’m a huge believer in drip irrigation love drip irrigation if we get a chance we may give a seminar on that um because it’s just it puts water where you need it without wetting everything so bad okay permanent Co this

Is I’m a landscape designer and this is where I really like to what I like to do permanent coal all right we know is a is um there’s hundreds of varieties I’m real big into Encore Zas which is a repeater and I wouldn’t sell them for the longest cuz I thought they

Would they almost double the price of regular and I said well you know is it worth it and yes it is worth it um they they are not necessarily heartier than a regular AIA but they’re good but they do repeat they repeat good in the spring

And the fall and they’ll bloom a little bit off and on through the summer and there’s 30 something different varieties so you got a lot of choice in Heights and color and foliage and all so all right I design a bed and I should have grown it somewhere over here for

Y’all I call it a Four Season bed I use it every yard I planted um it’s a bed that’s is kind of a it’s kind of a stretched out s in the side of a yard or at the back of a yard and it’s what I do is I I take

Oncas and I like to use the larger ones the four to five Footers three to four Footers and I put like 10 of them in a stretched out s about 5 ft apart then then behind that I go with Kamas and sanas about every 68

F um and then in front of that I use hydranges and if you got a deer problem we’ll switch to Gard but hydr is is by far my favorite okay you’ve got this bed that’s stretched out like 30 40 ft behind it you got canas that get get

Heights on them it’s a sample okay see the ISA is your spring flour and your fall flour if you use unor they’ll give you some color in the summer then you got this hydranges are going to give you color um in the summer not a long time but you can use

The full sun hydrators which are like the lamb light and they got little lime now which performs really good and doesn’t get so your lime light will get up like this there little lme will get in the uh 3 to 4T range um but see that’ll give you

Your summer color and then your fall color is your CLE which is a fall bloy cha and then you got your Chas that are your winter spring blo so in that bed you’ve got four seasons of cold and you got and it’s it doesn’t look

Like a hedge cuz you got it kind of curv a little bit and um it’s so useful in other words I like when I do a yard you I do my golf course green grass so it doesn’t run up to the neighbor’s yard so I like a border kind

Of between me and them and that gives you that real good and you can do depend on how much sun shade you’re in in we can you can bury it up U but that makes a you do the borders with something like that if you use drip irrigation you can

Chamas will take full sun if you use drip irrigation now they eventually will take it even without drip um but keeping them hydrated and they’ll take it and you know I I always say Southerners you are crazy not to have a yard full of cavas in s angles what look right now

All this car out here some yanes say that said I can’t stand all those blooms on the ground I said that is gorgeous I love the blooms on the ground you know and U so um it’s I mean to me is Imagic you know it was it’ll be 20° and

Next week it’ll be warm like it normally does does around here and they’ll be blooming you know they got hurt 20° but then they got flowers up sheer I son he’s got 70 some varieties of ComEd pled between my house and his he’s still playing he still got them um very

Incredible and I took my sister-in-law this week she flew back to Detroit and I said I just want before you go back I want to show you some color that’s right here right now we walked over there through all those convenience and she just she could take

A bit you know you’re not going to get that Detroit they can she said she planted some San which is B San WI take more sun easy they’ll take full sun easy um but uh L heav and see if that doesn’t help a lot of times it will but um if you plan

On in too much shade and you can you know some of these old trees and things like that that’s gets pretty dense um but uh Chas to me are just wonderful in hydranges um deer absolutely love but they I don’t know what they’ve got for

Um deer around here but we used to sell liquid fence and I’m sure they got something you got Liquid Fence Liquid Fence is wonderful um and if you got to keep it on them if you don’t they going to get them against me we’ve had very good luck

With BS with what B and you get it through Home Depot you have to order it we don’t want to get it through home I know needs to carry what’s it called b x Bomb b o m b b o b b e x Bob Bob bobx okay that’s the

Best one we’ve ever used really strong okay yeah a study has been made by I think New Hampshire or Vermont and next to an 8ot fence bobx is number one compared to any other really okay we’re good and it’s 94% effective yesan oh yes yes I of my driveway very old open they

Beautiful every year they just one I don’t know I have you about that secr I do not know that cuz that was yeah that would be normally they they I could age kill them some things age does kill them but normally it’s something besid I know

These were probably 50 6 uh it could be BS oh M no B like little how many know what a bowl is it’s a little you don’t ever see usually that’s probably what it is he’s a little mouse or actually shrew needs roots and he can be devastating B that’s what I

Bet you that’s what it okay somebody asked me how to get bowls cuz bowls love hosta woo they love roses they’ll eat the whole root off of a rose this road we fly how do you get that okay I’m going help with all right I was speaking to the lexon

County master gers and I said I don’t know how to get rid of it and they said well that’s the V Queen over there I said okay so what she she couldn’t grow anything in her yard like she wanted like peral and they were all the them

All what she did is she got like 18 24 in of corated black drain P without holes now without holes you get 18 24 in of that she pull the straw back and the leaves back and lay it right there and cover it back over and she keep putting

Rat Bay in there and um now where’s my who who’s who was telling me about a good rat Bay um but um The Sur rat BS um um what what were you using Tom Cat yeah yeah he’s got a unique way to do it I’m going to just tell by way I’ll let

You talk to him but uh keep it and check on it every few days and don’t try to touch it cuz they smell you we check on keep putting that lady in in 3 months she had all he couldn’t row anything in hardly at all yes sir this is going to

Sound weird and it doesn’t kill him but it will deter you have a cat yes cat turs find where the tunnels are pokeing down in the tunnels what’s that cat turs oh cat tur okay I thought it was the cat but cat poop you put the cat FR down in the

Tunnels and they think there’s Predators out there and it drives them off right right but a cat is Cat is very good too um a female fixed cat did you hear that not a male he worth a nickel but a female cat can get her fixed the day you

Get her or you going to have more than one cat for sure um but a female fix cat is one of the best things for H but um but this rat B works it really does um okay uh some of the minor color like spia Andia qu burn native all those

Should be not used in your landscape as um a major part of it because it’s going only look good for two three weeks at a time the rest of time it’s just going to be folded or or bear stems like the Quint and all there most of that is the

Sous na is a wonderful um plant them kind of in the backrop of yard they just absolutely incredible we call them when we were growing up pink honey suckle but it’s the native is what it is okay um prun I mean not um edging I like just

To use a PL no edging at all um I feel that you get too busy with too many structures or or um too much stuff in the yard so I just use the edge of the grass and you cut a little kind a little trough on the outside of the

Grass so there’s more flays in and then you just Edge your grass every time you mow and if you use one of these um weed eer style edgers and not not a weed eater because weed does dig it down but if you use one of these weed style edes

You can do it real fast um and if you do that every time you mow it keeps it so crisp looking and nice and so defined and that’s what you want um and then pruning of course is huge um and that that was our first class um I hate weed

Barrier and if you’ve had it for over two or three years you will hate it too um because Weed grow up on top of it just as bad and then if you ever try to clean it out you have got a huge mess uh so I hate the stuff I know y’all

Sell it but I won I won’t buy it and people still want it and it does have a I think it’s got somewhere around there but I’ve never found it um one of the worst yards we we landscaped uh they had we Buri it down for like 10

Years it tripled the amount of time of trying to replant that yard not not doubl it but it tripled it ital my was so bad at the end of that any other questions y’all yes ma’am you keep good at you should have come to the blast last week

Got and he you can watch it online okay let me tell you how to do it now I’m a big proponent round them and I’ve gone to four classes by the universities all four of them say it is not causing cancer whatever you believe these crazy ads tell you don’t worry about but

They’ve got a round up over here that is absolutely fantastic the only one I use is called quick Pro Roundup it is a powder that mixes in water but it’s got a quick kick that’ll kill it a lot F three or four times faster than Rec around and it works

Better too it kills kill better um in other words I use the spray in a bed kill all the weeds then I put a preemergent down theyve got the right pre-emergence one over here all right let me tell y’all y’all see pre all the Home Depots and loades and everything

Pre it is totally worthless to me but there is a clean extended control that works don’t get the regular cream but Cree extended control absolutely works so look for that and that all right it’s what you’re doing ma’am it’s what you’re doing is you’re killing the weeds and

Then you put the preemergent and keeps new seed from coming up try to resist pulling weeds because when you do you break the barrier that’s made from the pr um see the P actually is a chemical Barry in the top of seed try to sprout they can’t Sprout any they sprout to die

Soon as they do so you’re trying to um kill all the weeds and then you put the um cream down cream you stand the control or there’s another one over there it’s a round up too and it works too um you can put it in your flower bed

Read on your label most of them you can but you got to read on your label and see what you can use it around what you can’t use and a lot of times you just do it anyway but you do need to Fe Qui question normally it won’t but

Look on your thing but somebody asked a lot of your Urban signes will affect your pollinators too though so you got to be careful that um pollinators bees herbicides some of them not much have to have to beem cut through it’s not um I mean I listen I’m I was a beeper not4

But I was beer I’m very careful of these so I like my I do too I do too um most of those are pretty safe Round Up is far I know safe around I’ve never heard of problem yes I don’t know you would be I don’t think you can it’s called

A five fingers 10 fingers that’s the only way I know how to prevent those yes common sense I mean you just you can’t say Okay water twice a week because one week it’s going to be 100° and next week it’s going to be in the

80s there’s no rule of the th it’s just using common sense and don’t just leave it on all all summer um now drip irrigation you normally can just leave it again when it comes to overhead irrigation you just got to use common sense and there’s no rule of the

Thums you know I can’t say half each week each week that doesn’t work cuz you might have CL you might have sand is using common sense that’s what it is yes sir get um okay is it the Brier with the root on it it’s got the theot balls

Grows underground okay all right how to get rid of cat PR’s um boov no let me tell you how you can do it you can do it round up we’ll do it but let me tell you how you have to do it you cut them off and when they come back with that

Tender KN growth and it’s still tender them round up right and normally that’ll get it but it might take two or three times okay but that’s better than trying to dig them up cuz you can’t dig oh it’s actually call Cat BR or or um Smile

Smile yeah well The Round Up will do it it will do SMX or cat as long as you cut them off and let it come back fresh that will now if you you got Blackberry Blackberry all is a total different story Round Up Normally won’t do it um the the weed

Uh stump Killers um not even that but we be or something like that we’ll get but but is going to damage something there Blackberry is hard to get rid of it’s one of the hardest yes ma’am um there are now let me tell you she’s asking about rotor

D um let me tell you how to plant a rotor D and if they get them in normally they’re going to be they’ll do here but they’re struggle but the way to do it is they a hole about this big and about that big cover it back up and put it on

Top of the hole you said it on the hole you don’t plant it in the no I’m just teasing you don’t have to dig the hole if you dig the hole yes cuz you’re going to soften it up but you you plant them literally on top of

The hey about P pull some good some of his good top soil up around it they this time you do you plant them in the ground you’re going to kill them how many of kill Ro but that that works no not easy propagate but you can um uh

Just PL on shallow there very shallow and keep the water good but don’t overdo it yes if you take some Son yes a little bit right County County do yall have any County you do great county is native here and it’s going to be similar to Planet

Shallow not maybe a shallow Ro but it should Thrive here I’ve got wild androed in my Woods all over the place they’re beautiful but trying to dig one up plant it or even from a container it’s a little hard but if you keep it don’t plant it deep about halfway out county is

One and it’s this whole area is name for count anything else yes not okay L she’s asking about L there are there is one variety that will is what it is is we don’t have enough coal yeah and so Miss Kim will and there’s probably one or two more and no Miss

Kim so that does yes yes’ well if you do Rejuvenation um you d45 you got to get okay we’ll check with Chad see okay cuz that’s in other words if you do rejuvenate heavy pruning um as soon as you do that you’re going to create a problem called D and

You got to spray it with this stuff 45 if you don’t have it you probably get it you know if they’re working I almost leave them thank yall so very apprciate Gerald and next Saturday we do vegetables getting about time yeah it is so that’ll be good we appreciate yall

Coming hope you can make it back next Saturday and Y make yourselves at home and we sure do appreciate you