Dec. 6, 2023 | As hospitals struggle with a surge in respiratory cases, some ERs are urging people to think twice before showing up. Former Israeli prime minister Ehud Barak calls on Benjamin Netanyahu to resign. Plus, remembering Norman Lear, the man who changed TV forever.
00:00 The National for Dec. 6, 2023
01:00 Hospitals strained as respiratory cases surge
04:00 Ontario AG calls for healthcare staffing strategy
04:36 Shooting at Las Vegas university campus
05:12 Israeli offensive continues in southern Gaza
07:43 Ukraine aid dwindles as Putin supports mideast
10:00 Assembly of First Nations votes for new leader
12:49 Bank of Canada holds interest rate at 5%
13:03 Farm carbon-tax break unlikely to pass
15:23 Canada to announce cap and trade system
15:46 Remembering legendary producer Norman Lear
19:00 Anger of books used to train AI programs
22:06 Adrienne Clarkson honoured by CBC News
23:00 Taylor Swift named Time’s person of the year
23:18 Buzz about Shohei Ohtani joining the Jays
25:30 Why there’s ‘no safe place’ left in Gaza
33:12 Former Israeli prime minister Ehud Barak
40:42 Mounting pressure to find a 2-state solution
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>> Adrienne: TONIGHT, WHY SOME HOSPITALS ARE ASKING PATIENTS TO THINK TWICE BEFORE SHOWING UP. >> MOST PATIENTS THAT ARE WAITING A LONG PERIOD OF TIME USUALLY DON’T NEED TO BE IN THE EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT. >> Adrienne: LONG WAITS, PACKED E.R.s AND A SURGE OF RESPIRATORY ILLNESS PROMPT AN URGENT APPEAL FROM DOCTORS.
>>> BLUNT WORDS FROM ISRAEL’S MOST DECORATED SOLDIER AND FORMER PRIME MINISTER ON THE WAR AND THE PATH FORWARD. HOW MUCH PRESSURE IS THERE FOR HIM TO GO? >> THE MAIN RESPONSIBILITIES AND WITH OUR HISTORY. >> Adrienne: AND FROM “THE JEFFERSONS,” TO ARCHIE BUNKER, REMEMBERING NORMAN LEAR, THE MAN WHO CHANGED TELEVISION FOREVER.
>> I HOPE FOR THE FUTURE OF TELEVISION THAT IT WILL TAKE ITSELF AS SERIOUSLY AS IT IS TAKEN. >> Announcer: THIS IS “THE NATIONAL” WITH CHIEF CORRESPONDENT ADRIENNE ARSENAULT. >> Adrienne: THANKS FOR JOINING US. >>> WE BEGIN TONIGHT WITH A DIRE MESSAGE FROM BELEAGUERED CANADIAN HOSPITALS, THEY ARE UNDER-STAFFED AND OVERWHELMED AS RESPIRATORY INFECTIONS SURGE. COVID, FLU, AND R.S.V. CASES ARE RISING. WAIT TIMES IN SOME E.R.s ARE NOW HOURS LONG, PROMPTING SOME HOSPITALS TO URGE PEOPLE IN NO
UNCERTAIN TERMS, UNLESS YOU OR YOUR CHILDREN ARE EXTREMELY SICK, DO NOT COME IN. AS LAUREN PELLEY TELLS US NOW, IN MONTRÉAL, THE E.R. CRISIS IS SO SERIOUS THAT THE HEALTH OFFICIALS ARE WARNING OF A PERFECT STORM. >> Reporter: AT MONTRÉAL’S CHILDREN’S HOSPITAL, THE EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT WAS RUNNING AT MORE THAN 150% OCCUPANCY FOR
MOST OF NOVEMBER. >> IT’S LIKE SIX HOURS WAIT. >> WE DO HAVE A LOT OF SICK CHILDREN. >> Reporter: HOSPITAL OFFICIALS ARE RINGING THE ALARMS, SAYING A STAFFING CRUNCH AND A LACK OF FAMILY DOCTORS AND A BUSY RESPIRATORY VIRUS SEASON ARE CREATING A PERFECT STORM. >> MOST PATIENTS THAT ARE
WAITING A LONG PERIOD OF TIME USUALLY DON’T EVEN NEED TO BE IN THE EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT. IF THEY ARE WAITING VERY LONG, USUALLY THEY SHOULD HAVE GONE TO SICK CLINIC. >> Reporter: THIS QUIET CRISIS IS PLAYING OUT AT HOSPITALS ACROSS THE COUNTRY. WAIT TIMES AT MULTIPLE EMERGENCY DEPARTMENTS IN ALBERTA AND
ONTARIO ARE ALSO HOURS LONG. THIS TORONTO EMERGENCY PHYSICIAN SAYS THAT FOR MINOR ISSUES, TRY TO GO TO A FAMILY DOCTOR. >> BUT IF YOU HAVE CHEST PAIN OR YOU HAVE ABDOMINAL PAIN OR YOU’RE CONCERNED THAT YOU’RE HAVING A STROKE OR SHORTNESS OF BREATH OR SOMETHING THAT REALLY REQUIRES EMERGENCY CARE, THESE PEOPLE
SHOULD COME IN. >> Reporter: THE CHALLENGE, SHE SAYS, IS THAT HOSPITALS ARE FACING THE PRESSURE OF SEASONAL ILLNESSES, PLUS COVID-19. >> SO IT’S JUST MAKING A SITUATION THAT IS ALREADY ALWAYS BAD IN THE FALL, EVEN WORSE. >> Reporter: FEDERAL DATA SHOWS FLU ACTIVITY IS UP. RESPIRATORY SYNCYTIAL VIRUS ACTIVITY IS TOO.
AND DAILY COVID HOSPITALIZATIONS KEEP RISING AS WELL, HITTING 4,600 BY LATE NOVEMBER. ADD TO ALL OF THAT, THE HEALTH OFFICIALS IN MULTIPLE COUNTRIES WARN THAT BACTERIAL INFECTIONS SUCH AS MICRO-PLASMA ARE ALSO MAKING A COMEBACK. CAUSING A RESURGENCE OF WALKING PNEUMONIA. TYPICALLY LESS SEVERE THAN REGULAR PNEUMONIA BUT IT CAN TURN SERIOUS.
THE PUBLIC HEALTH AGENCY OF CANADA TOLD CBC NEWS THAT LABS ARE ALREADY LOOKING OUT FOR IT. >> THIS IS SORT OF GOING TO BE THE NEW NORM GOING FORWARD, THAT WE’RE GOING TO HAVE THIS LEVEL OF INFECTION. >> Adrienne: SO, LAUREN, I GET THAT THE MESSAGE TO CANADIANS IS
DON’T COME TO THE EMERGENCY ROOM UNLESS IT’S ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY. BUT IT IS NOT ALWAYS QUITE THAT SIMPLE? >> Reporter: WELL, YOU ARE RIGHT. I MEAN, THE ADVICE IS, IF YOU CAN, GO TO A FAMILY DOCTOR OR A NURSE PRACTITIONER OR A PHARMACIST. BUT THERE ARE MILLIONS OF CANADIANS WITHOUT ACCESS TO A
PRIMARY CARE PROVIDER. SO THIS MIGHT BE A TOUGH PILL TO SWALLOW. WE SORT OF HAVE TWO HEALTH CRISES THAT ARE COMPOUNDING ON EACH OTHER RIGHT NOW AND MAKING THE SITUATION IN HOSPITALS EVEN WORSE. AND WE HAVE A LONG WINTER AHEAD. >> Adrienne: ALL RIGHT, LET’S BE CAREFUL THEN. LAUREN PELLEY, THANK YOU.
>> Reporter: THANK YOU. >> Adrienne: ONTARIO’S AUDITOR GENERAL IS PUTTING A NUMBER ON THE PROBLEM. HE SAYS THAT ONE IN FIVE PATIENTS WHO HAVE VISITED EMERGENCY ROOMS IN THE PROVINCE WERE ONLY THERE BECAUSE THEY DID NOT HAVE A FAMILY DOCTOR. HE’S ALSO CALLING ON THE PROVINCE TO COME UP WITH A PLAN
TO HELP WITH CHRONIC UNDERSTAFFING. >> A PROVINCE-WIDE STRATEGY TO HELP HOSPITALS AND LONG-TERM CARE HOMES TO MAINTAIN APPROPRIATE STAFFING LEVELS IS CRITICAL FOR THE SECTOR’S SUCCESS MOVING FORWARD. >> Adrienne: HIS REPORT RELEASED TODAY HIGHLIGHTS THE SIGNIFICANT JUMP IN THE USE OF NURSES FROM STAFFING AGENCIES AND NORTHERN HOSPITALS AT THREE TIMES THE COST.
>>> IN LAS VEGAS, POLICE SAY THAT THREE PEOPLE WERE KILLED AND A FOURTH INJURED AFTER A SHOOTER OPENED FIRE ON A UNIVERSITY CAMPUS. THE SUSPECT WAS THEN KILLED IN A CONFRONTATION WITH POLICE. >> WHAT HAPPENED TODAY IS AN HEINOUS UNFORGIVABLE CRIME BUT I WANT Y’ALL TO KNOW SOMETHING — IT IS
A CRIME THAT WE TRAIN FOR EACH AND EVERY DAY. >> Adrienne: POLICE POURED ON THE UNIVERSITY OF NEVADA CAMPUS JUST BEFORE NOON, WHEN THE GUNSHOTS RANG OUT AND STUDENTS SCRAMBLED TO SAFETY. POLICE SAY THAT THEY KNOW THE SHOOTER’S IDENTITY, BUT THEY WON’T RELEASE IT UNTIL THE NEXT-OF-KIN ARE NOTIFIED.
THEY HAVE ALSO NOT COMMENTED YET ON A MOTIVE. >>> TURNING TO THE WAR IN THE MIDDLE EAST, ISRAEL NOW SAYS THAT IT WILL ALLOW MORE FUEL INTO GAZA, A MINIMAL INCREASE TO PREVENT A HUMANITARIAN COLLAPSE AS FIGHTING PUSHES MORE PEOPLE FURTHER SOUTH. ISRAELI FORCES ARE NOW BATTLING HAMAS IN THE HEART OF KHAN
YOUNIS, AN AREA PREVIOUSLY DEEMED SAFE FOR CIVILIANS. SO THAT MEANS THAT MORE ARE LIVING LIKE THIS, SHELTERING IN TENTS AFTER FLEEING THEIR HOMES. PAUL HUNTER HAS THE LATEST ON THE OFFENSIVE AND THE PUSH FOR A CEASEFIRE. >> Reporter: IN THIS HOSPITAL IN KHAN YOUNIS IN SOUTHERN GAZA, CHAOS, MISERY AND DESPAIR AND
ANGRY FRUSTRATION. >>(SPEAKING ALTERNATE LANGUAGE). >> Reporter: “THE ISRAELIS TOLD US TO GO TO THE SOUTH BECAUSE IT IS SAFE,” SAID THIS MAN “BUT WE DID, BUT THERE’S NO SAFE PLACE IN GAZA.” THIS 11-YEAR-OLD, HER LIFE UP-ENDED, SOBBING. HER FATHER ON THAT STRETCHER, HER FAMILY SHE SAYS HIT BY AN ISRAELI STRIKE.
>>(SPEAKING ALTERNATE LANGUAGE). >> Reporter: “THEY HIT US TWICE, IT LANDED ON US AND ON MY FATHER.” INDEED, THE ISRAELI OFFENSIVE CONTINUES IN SOUTHERN GAZA, PART OF ISRAEL’S RESPONSE TO THE BRUTAL ATTACKS BY HAMAS OCTOBER 7TH. IT’S AN AREA NOW JAMMED WITH HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS WHO FLED NORTHERN GAZA, SEEKING SAFETY IN
OCTOBER AND NOVEMBER. >>(SPEAKING ALTERNATE LANGUAGE). >> Reporter: SO MANY GAZANS HAVE BEEN KILLED, THERE IS NOW LITTLE ROOM FOR INDIVIDUAL BURIALS. MASS GRAVES HAVE BECOME THE NORM. >> GIVEN THE SCALE OF THE LOSS OF HUMAN LIFE — >> Reporter: AT THE UNITED NATIONS TODAY, WORD THAT A RARELY USED MECHANISM HAS BEEN APPLIED.
WHAT IS KNOWN AS U.N. ARTICLE 99, WHICH PUTS PRESSURE ON THE U.N. SECURITY COUNCIL TO DEMAND A CEASEFIRE. >> ARTICLE 99 STATES AND I QUOTE, THAT THE SECRETARY GENERAL MAY BRING TO THE ATTENTION OF THE SECURITY COUNCIL ANY MATTER IN HIS OPINION THAT MAY THREATEN THE MAINTENANCE OF INTERNATIONAL PEACE AND SECURITY.
>>(SPEAKING ALTERNATE LANGUAGE). >> Reporter: ALL OF THIS AS ISRAELI PRIME MINISTER BENJAMIN NETANYAHU ANNOUNCED ISRAELI FORCES HAVE SURROUNDED THE KHAN YOUNIS HOME OF A TOP HAMAS LEADER BELIEVED TO HAVE BEEN INTEGRAL TO THE OCTOBER 7TH ATTACKS. ON A DAY HAMAS ROCKETS WERE FIRED YET AGAIN TOWARD TARGETS IN ISRAEL. PAUL HUNTER, CBC NEWS,
WASHINGTON. >> Adrienne: NOW TO THE WAR IN UKRAINE. KYIV IS GETTING MORE AID FROM THE UNITED STATES. ONE OF THE LAST PACKAGES WASHINGTON SAYS THAT IT CAN PROVIDE. AND AS CHRIS BROWN SHOWS US, IT COMES AMID A STRUGGLE TO GET SUPPLIES BEFORE WINTER AND AN INCREASINGLY CONFIDENT-LOOKING VLADIMIR PUTIN.
>> Reporter: UKRAINE IS ENDURING SOME OF ITS MOST UNCERTAIN MONTHS SINCE RUSSIA’S INVASION. ALONG WITH THE BILLIONS IN FUTURE AMERICAN MILITARY AID STALLED IN THE U.S. CONGRESS, OTHER GOODS ARE NOW BLOCKED AT ITS BORDER BY POLISH TRUCKERS IN A DISPUTE OVER PERMITS AND PAPERWORK. UKRAINIAN TRUCK DRIVER ROMAN
KALIDIN TURNED HIS CAB INTO HIS HOME. >>(SPEAKING ALTERNATE LANGUAGE). >> Reporter: AS HE WAITED AN ASTOUNDING 16 DAYS TO CROSS THE BORDER. >>(SPEAKING ALTERNATE LANGUAGE). >> Reporter: “THE RUSSIANS ARE OBVIOUSLY ENEMIES, BUT THIS IS MEANNESS FROM A FRIEND,” HE SAID. THE POLISH TRUCKERS WANT A PRE-WAR SYSTEM OF ENTRY PERMITS
WHERE THE UKRAINIAN TRUCKS WERE STORED, SO THEY WON’T FLOOD THE MARKET. IN KYIV, RESIDENTS ADMIT THEY’RE WORRIED ABOUT BEING ABANDONED BY THEIR ALLIES. >>(SPEAKING ALTERNATE LANGUAGE). >> Reporter: “I’M SCARED IF UKRAINE IS LEFT WITHOUT HELP, THE WAR WILL DRAG ON LONGER,” SHE SAID. >>(SPEAKING ALTERNATE LANGUAGE). >> Reporter: UKRAINE’S PRESIDENT
VOLODYMYR ZELENSKYY WAS IN THE STREETS OF THE CAPITAL TODAY ATTEMPTING TO SOUND REASSURING ABOUT ALL OF THE PROBLEMS. IT’S NOT EASY NOW, BUT WE’RE MOVING ALONG, HE SAID. VLADIMIR PUTIN, MEANWHILE, HAS SELDOM APPEARED AS CONFIDENT, MAKING A RARE TRIP ABROAD TO THE MIDDLE EAST. PUTIN HAS MOBILIZED RUSSIA’S
ECONOMY TO SUPPORT HIS WAR IN COUNTRIES SUCH AS THE U.A.E. AND SAUDI ARABIA WHERE HE ALSO VISITED, THAT PLAYED A KEY ROLE, SAYS THIS EXPERT. >> HE’S ACQUIRING GREAT IMPORTANCE IN TERMS OF THE SANCTIONS AND THE INVASION FOR RUSSIA, AND EASING THE PRESSURE OF SANCTIONS ON THE RUSSIAN ECONOMY.
>> Reporter: PUTIN’S ARMIES MAY BE BOGGED DOWN IN UKRAINIAN BATTLEFIELDS AND ABSORBING IMMENSE LOSSES, BUT THESE BRIEF TRIPS ARE A REMINDER THAT THOUGH A PARIAH IN THE WEST, RUSSIA’S LEADER IS FAR FROM ISOLATED. CHRIS BROWN, CBC NEWS, LONDON. >> Adrienne: BACK HERE IN CANADA, THE ASSEMBLY OF FIRST NATION LEADERS ARE GATHERED IN
OTTAWA TO CHOOSE A NEW NATIONAL CHIEF. FROM SIX CANDIDATES, JUST TWO REMAIN AFTER MULTIPLE ROUNDS OF VOTING. DAVID PRATT FROM MUSCOWPETUNG FIRST NATION IN SASKATCHEWAN, AND CINDY WOODHOUSE OF THE PINAYMOOTANG FIRST NATION IN MANITOBA. OLIVIA STEFANOVICH HAS BEEN TRACKING THE VOTE FOR US AND, OLIVIA, IT LOOKS LIKE THIS WILL
NOT BE SETTLED TONIGHT? >> Reporter: THAT’S RIGHT, ADRIENNE. THERE’S BEEN MULTIPLE ROUNDS OF BALLOTS AND STILL NO WIN MORE HAS RECEIVED THE 60% OF THE VOTES REQUIRED TO BECOME THE NEXT NATIONAL CHIEF. THERE’S TENSION BETWEEN THE TWO REMAINING CANDIDATES. CINDY WOODHOUSE, THE MANITOBA REGIONAL CHIEF AND DAVID PRATT, THE FIRST VICE-CHIEF OF THE
FEDERATION OF SOVEREIGN INDIGENOUS NATIONS FROM SASKATCHEWAN. WOODHOUSE ASKED PRATT TO CONCEDE BECAUSE SHE’S LEADING IN THE BALLOTS IN TERMS OF SUPPORT, BUT PRATT IS STAYING IN THE RACE, SO VOTING IS CONTINUING INTO THURSDAY, ADRIENNE. AND THERE ARE BIG EXPECTATIONS WITH PEOPLE WHO MAKE UP THE ASSEMBLY FOR THE NEXT NATIONAL CHIEF.
>> WE HAD A VERY NICE TURNOUT. >> Reporter: A VOTE TO CHOOSE A NEW LEADER AND A NEW DIRECTION FOR THE ASSEMBLY OF FIRST NATIONS. >> WE NEED A NATIONAL CHIEF WHO CAN CONVENE PEOPLE AND BRING PEOPLE TOGETHER, TO SORT OF FIND A WAY TO COLLABORATE WITH THE DIFFERENT VIEWPOINTS AND TO
CREATE AN ACTION PLAN THAT CAN BE IMPLEMENTED. >> Reporter: BUT REUNITING THE A.F.N. COULD PROVE TOUGH AFTER THE OUSTER OF THE FORMER NATIONAL CHIEF ROSEANNE ARCHIBALD OVER MISCONDUCT ALLEGATIONS. AND A SEPARATE REPORT THAT FOUND WIDESPREAD HARASSMENT AND SEXUAL MISCONDUCT THROUGHOUT THE ORGINISATION. >> I’M LOOKING FOR STABILITY, AND SOME RESPECT BROUGHT BACK TO
THE A.F.N.. >> Reporter: THESE FIRST NATIONS PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR A NEW LEADER WHO WILL STAND UP FOR THEIR INTERESTS. >> THE A.F.N. HAS A HUGE ROLE TO HELP TO ADVOCATE FOR FIRST NATIONS AND THEY HAVEN’T BEEN ABLE TO DO THAT, THEY HAVE BEEN SO DISTRACTED. >> Reporter: THIS ELDER WANTS
SOMEONE TO ACT ON THE PRESSING ISSUES FACING FIRST NATIONS ACROSS THE COUNTRY. >> I’D LIKE TO SEE THEM TO DEAL WITH THE OPIOID CRISIS AND THE HOMELESSNESS. >> Reporter: OTHERS SIMPLY WANT FEARLESS LEADERSHIP. >> I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMEONE THAT IS CLEARLY LOUD AND JUST STANDING WITH US, AND NOT AFRAID
TO, YOU KNOW, TO MAKE SOME NOISE.O, YOU KNOW, TO MAKE SOME NOISE. >> Adrienne:NOW ONCE A WINNER IS FINALLY CHOSEN, OLIVIA, WHAT ARE YOU WATCHING FOR NEXT? >> Reporter: WELL, ADRIENNE, THERE WILL BE AN OATH OF OFFICE CEREMONY AND THEN IT’S STRAIGHT TO WORK FOR THE NEXT NATIONAL CHIEF. HEALING FRACTURES WITHIN THE
ORGINISATION, WORKING WITH OTTAWA TO ADVANCE RIGHTS AMID ECONOMIC UNCERTAINTY, AND POSSIBLY A CHANGE IN GOVERNMENT. >> Adrienne: ALL RIGHT, OLIVIA STEFANOVICH IN OTTAWA, WE’LL BE WATCHING, THANK YOU. >>> NOW THE BANK OF CANADA IS HOLDING ITS BENCHMARK INTEREST RATES STEADY AT 5%. THE MOVE WAS WIDELY EXPECTED NOW THAT INFLATION IS EASING.
ECONOMISTS ARE NOW PREDICTING THE BANK WILL BEGIN CUTTING RATES IN THE SECOND HALF OF 2024. >>> MANY FARMERS WERE HOPING FOR A CUT TO THEIR HIGH COSTS WITH THE PROPOSED SUSPENSION OF THE CARBON TAX. BUT THE LEGISLATION THAT COULD HAVE MADE THAT POSSIBLE NOW HAS A SLIM CHANCE OF PASSING.
KATE McKENNA NOW WITH THE POLITICAL FIGHT AND THOSE CAUGHT IN THE MIDDLE. >> Reporter: BEFORE THEY ARE LOADED INTO TRUCKS LIKE THIS, SOME GRAINS NEED TO BE DRIED. AND FARMERS SAY THAT THE CARBON TAX ON THE FUEL THAT HEATS THIS SILO IS DRIVING UP THE COST OF FOOD.
>> GENERALLY WHEN I TALK TO — TALK TO OTHER FARMERS, THEY DO THE SAME THING THAT I DO. BASICALLY YOU CAN’T SELL YOUR PRODUCT FOR WHAT YOU USED TO BE ABLE TO SELL IT FOR. >> Reporter: HE SAYS HE PAYS UP TO $25,000 A YEAR IN CARBON TAX AND HE HOPED THAT THE
CONSERVATIVE PRIVATE MEMBERS’ BILL WOULD PASS AND GIVE HIM A BREAK. IT WOULD REMOVE THE CARBON TAX ON THE FUEL USED TO DRY GRAIN AND EXEMPT IT ON FUEL FOR HEATING BARNS AND GREENHOUSES. BUT IT HAS HIT A SNAG. >> THE HONOURABLE SENATOR BUFFIN. >> Reporter: THE SENATE VOTED TO
AMEND THE BILL, DELAYING IT FROM PASSING AND PUTTING ITS FUTURE IN JEOPARDY. >> I HAVE ALREADY HEARD FROM DOZENS OF FARMERS ALREADY SHARING DEEP DISAPPOINTMENT. >> Reporter: THIS BILL FOUND ITSELF IN THE SPOTLIGHT AND SENATORS UNDER PRESSURE. IT WAS A TARGET FOR CONSERVATIVES WHO HAVE MADE ABOLISHING THE CARBON TAX THEIR SIGNATURE POLICY.
>> Justin Trudeau: WE ARE ANNOUNCING A THREE-YEAR PAUSE — >> Reporter: AFTER THE LIBERALS SUSPENDED THE TAX ON HOME HEATING OIL, THE PRIME MINISTER VOWED NO MORE EXEMPTIONS. >> Justin Trudeau: THERE WILL ABSOLUTELY NOT BE ANY OTHER CARVE OUTS OR SUSPENSIONS ON THE PRICE ON POLLUTION. >> Reporter: THAT PLEDGE CREATED
PRESSURE ON THE GOVERNMENT TO KILL THE BILL. >> SO THERE CLEARLY HAS BEEN SOME POLITICKING AND THE SENATE HAS CLEARLY BEEN LOBBYING AND IT’S UNFORTUNATE TO SEE. >> Reporter: NOW THAT THE POLITICKING HAS INTENSIFIED. >> I HAVE NEWS FOR JUSTIN TRUDEAU — YOU HAVE RUINED CHRISTMAS FOR CANADIANS. COMMON SENSE CONSERVATIVES ARE
GOING TO RUIN YOUR VACATION AS WELL. >> Reporter: PIERRE POILIEVRE SAYS THAT HIS PARTY WILL USE EVERY TOOL TO FORCE PARLIAMENT TO SIT THROUGH THE HOLIDAYS UNLESS MORE CARBON TAX EXEMPTIONS ARE MADE. >> Justin Trudeau: HE CAN MAKE US WORK LATE, WE ARE HAPPY TO DO IT. >> Reporter: THE CONSERVATIVES
PLAN TO FORCE A 24-HOUR VOTING MARATHON IN THE HOUSE OF COMMONS STARTING THURSDAY. THEY SAY IT’S JUST THE BEGINNING OF WHAT WILL BE A PROCEDURAL BRAWL. ONE THING IS CLEAR — THE POLITICAL FIGHT OVER CARBON PRICING IS FAR FROM OVER. KATE McKENNA, CBC NEWS, OTTAWA. >> Adrienne: CBC NEWS HAS
LEARNED THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WILL ANNOUNCE A CAP-AND-TRADE SYSTEM TOMORROW TO LIMIT EMISSIONS FROM OIL AND GAS PRODUCTIONS. SENIOR GOVERNMENT SOURCES TELL CBC NEWS THAT THE PLAN WILL ALLOW COMPANIES TO BUY AND TO TRADE PERMITS TO EMIT CARBON AND THOSE PERMITS WILL DECLINE OVER TIME TO CAP EMISSIONS. THE ACTUAL DRAFT REGULATIONS
AREN’T EXPECTED UNTIL THE MIDDLE OF NEXT YEAR. >>> WELL, HOLLYWOOD IS MOURNING A LEGENDARY PRODUCER AND SCREENWRITER TONIGHT. NORMAN LEAR WAS A PROGRESSIVE PIONEER BEHIND A STRING OF HIT SHOWS THAT PUT EVERYDAY AMERICANS ON CENTRE STAGE. ERIN COLLINS SHOWS US HOW HE REVOLUTIONIZED TELEVISION. >> Reporter: AT ITS BEST, TELEVISION REFLECTS ITS AUDIENCE
BACK TO IT, AIRING DIFFICULT CONVERSATIONS GOING ON AROUND DINNER TABLES. >> WHEN THE HELL ARE YOU GOING TO ADMIT THAT THE WAR WAS WRONG? >> I AIN’T TALKING ABOUT THE WAR! I DON’T WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE GODDAMNED WAR NO MORE! >> Reporter: OVER A CAREER THAT SPANNED DECADES,
NORMAN LEAR DID JUST THAT. FROM WAR TO AMERICA’S LINGERING STRUGGLES WITH RACE, THE LEGENDARY PRODUCER PUT IT ALL ON TV. >> LIONEL! MARTIN LUTHER KING HELPED ACCOMPLISH A LOT FOR OUR PEOPLE. >> OH, SURE HE TRIED, BUT WHAT DID HE REALLY ACCOMPLISH? I MEAN NOTHING HAS CHANGED. >> Reporter: BORN IN CONNECTICUT
BEFORE WORKING IN TV, LEAR WAS A GUNNER ON A BOMBER IN THE SECOND WORLD WAR. BY 1971, HE FOUND HIS CALLING, PRODUCING “ALL IN THE FAMILY” FOR CBS. THE SHOW REVOLVED AROUND A WORKING-CLASS FAMILY IN NEW YORK. EDGY FOR ITS TIME, IT TOOK ON CONTENTIOUS ISSUES FROM HOMOSEXUALITY TO ABORTION.
THAT APPROACH A PRODUCT OF LEAR’S OWN UPBRINGING. >> I LIVED IN A HOUSE WHERE EVERYBODY DIDN’T GET ALONG AND EVERYBODY HAD THEIR OWN PROBLEMS. ACROSS FROM NEIGHBOURS AND DOWN THE STREET FROM NEIGHBOURS AND UP THE STREET FROM OTHER NEIGHBOURS THEY HAD PROBLEMS THAT WE WERE DEALING WITH. >> WE ARE THE JEFFERSONS.
>> Reporter: LEAR PRODUCED A SPINOFF TO “ALL IN THE FAMILY” FOCUSED ON A PROSPEROUS BLACK FAMILY. OVER ITS 10-YEAR RUN, “THE JEFFERSONS” PUT AMERICA’S RACIAL DIVIDE IN THE SPOTLIGHT. >> GOOD GOD, YOU ARE BLACK. >> Reporter: OVER THE NEXT DECADE, LEAR PRODUCED A STRING OF HIT TV SHOWS FROM “GOOD TIMES” —
>> PURE DYNAMITE! >> Reporter: TO “ONE DAY AT A TIME.” >> ♪ ONE DAY AT A TIME ♪ >> Reporter: CHANGING THE FACE OF AMERICAN TELEVISION ALONG THE WAY. >> NORMAN LEAR HAS HELD UP A MIRROR TO AMERICAN SOCIETY AND CHANGED THE WAY THAT WE LOOK AT IT. >> Reporter: WHILE HIS WORK
SHIFTED THE WAY THAT AMERICANS SAW THEMSELVES, LEAR HOPED THAT IT WOULD CHANGE TELEVISION TOO. >> I HOPE FOR THE FUTURE OF TELEVISION IS THAT IT WILL TAKE ITSELF AS SERIOUSLY AS IT IS TAKEN. >> Reporter: NORMAN LEAR WAS 101 YEARS OLD. ERIN COLLINS, CBC NEWS, CALGARY. >> Adrienne: ONE OF THE WORLD’S
BEST BASEBALL PLAYERS COULD BE HEADING TO TORONTO. >> AND THE ONE-TWO. HIGH FLY, CENTRE FIELD. >> Adrienne: THE RACE TO NAB SHOHEI OHTANI. >> PLEASE COME TO TORONTO. IT WOULD BE GREAT. >> Adrienne: WHAT IT WOULD MEAN FOR THE FUTURE OF THE BLUE JAYS. PLUS — >>> AN ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE
TOOL THAT IS CAUSING REAL CONTROVERSY. >> WOW! MY PLAYS AND SOME OF MY NON-FICTION AND MY NOVELS. >> Adrienne: HOW CANADIAN AUTHORS ARE BEING IMPACTED. AND — >>> THE STUNNING MOMENT AN ORANGE TABBY DECIDED TO RESCUE HIMSELF. WE’RE BACK IN TWO. >> Adrienne: WRITERS FROM AROUND THE WORLD ARE OUTRAGED HOW THEIR WORK IS BEING USED TO TRAIN ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE WITHOUT THEIR KNOWLEDGE OR CONSENT. AND AS VALÉRIE OUELLET TELLS US IN THIS CBC NEWS INVESTIGATION, THAT INCLUDES BOOKS BY SOME OF THE BIGGEST NAMES IN LITERATURE. >> Reporter: HE HAD NO IDEA — >> WOW!
MY PLAYS, AND SOME OF MY NON-FICTION AND MY NOVELS. >> Reporter: THAT NINE OF HIS WORKS WERE PART OF BOOKS THREE. A MASSIVE DATASET USED BY TECH COMPANIES TO TRAIN ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE. >> WELL, IT IS A COMBINATION OF BEING FLATTERED AND BEING CONCERNED. ALMOST ALL OF MY INCOME HAS BEEN DERIVED FROM ROYALTIES.
IT IS LITERALLY TAKING THE MILK OUT OF MY CEREAL BOWL. IT IS VERY, VERY, VERY WORRYING. >> Reporter: A CBC ANALYSIS IDENTIFIED MORE THAN 1,200 CANADIAN AUTHORS AND THEIR 2,500 BOOKS. IT’S A WHO’S WHO LIST OF CANADIAN LITERATURE. MARGARETATWOOD, ALICE MUNRO, MORDECAI RICHLER, LEONARD COHEN. NEARLY THREE-QUARTERS OF ALL GILLER PRIZE CANDIDATES AND
CANADA READS CONTENDERS. THIS TECHNOLOGY AND LAW PROFESSOR SAYS THAT EVEN THOUGH THESE BOOKS ARE ALL PROTECTED BY COPYRIGHT LAW, IT IS NOT CLEAR THAT THEIR USE FOR DATA TRAINING IS ILLEGAL. >> ONE OF THE ARGUMENTS THAT IS BEING MADE IS THAT THE TRAINING THAT IS BEING DONE IS REALLY
JUST EXTRACTING DATA POINTS AND INFORMATION FROM THE WORK AS TEXT. RATHER THAN REALLY USING THE WORKS AS WORKS. >> Reporter: THE WRITERS’ UNION OF CANADA IS CONSIDERING A LAWSUIT. >> I MEAN COPYRIGHT CAN BE VERY ABSTRACT AND HARD TO UNDERSTAND, BUT I DON’T THINK THAT TAKING A PIRATED BOOK FROM A PIRATE SITE
AND USING IT FOR YOUR OWN INDUSTRIAL PURPOSES, I DON’T THINK THAT IS HARD TO UNDERSTAND THAT. THAT IS WRONG. >> Reporter: AT LEAST FIVE LAWSUITS MENTIONING BOOKS THREE AND SEVERAL TECH COMPANIES HAVE BEEN LAUNCHED IN THE U.S. MEANWHILE IN CANADA, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS HAVING ITS SECOND CONSULTATION ON THE A.I.
TECHNOLOGY AND COPYRIGHT LAW IN LESS THAN TWO YEARS. VALÉRIE OUELLET, CBC NEWS, TORONTO. >> Adrienne: AS THE ISRAELI MILITARY PUSHES DEEPER INTO GAZA, CIVILIANS SAY THAT THEY’RE JUST RUNNING OUT OF OPTIONS. >> WE ARE TALKING ABOUT BARREN BITS OF LAND OR STREET CORNERS. >> Adrienne: THE STRUGGLE TO
FIND SAFETY IN A WAR ZONE. >>> AND ISRAEL’S FORMER PRIME MINISTER WEIGHS IN ON THE WAR AND BENJAMIN NETANYAHU’S LEADERSHIP. >> IN ANY NOBLE COUNTRY, YOU KEEP STABILITY. >> Adrienne: BUT, FIRST, ALL EYES ARE ON THE TORONTO BLUE JAYS AS BASEBALL’S BIGGEST STAR PICKS A NEW HOME. >> I WANT YOU GUYS TO LOOK AT
THE PIE CHART AND THE LIKELIHOOD OF THE TEAM WHERE HE WILL GO. >> Adrienne: “THE NATIONAL” BREAKS DOWNS THE STORIES SHAPING OUR WORLD NEXT. >> Adrienne: ADRIENNE CLARKSON HAS ACHIEVED SO MUCH IN HER CAREER. EARLIER TODAY SHE RECEIVED ANOTHER HONOUR IN A CEREMONY RIGHT HERE IN THE NATIONAL STUDIO. THE LONG-TIME CBC NEWS JOURNALIST WHO LATER BECAME CANADA’S GOVERNOR-GENERAL WAS INDUCTED INTO THE CBC NEWS HALL OF FAME. >> I OWE A DEBT OF GRATITUDE TO
THE CBC, TO EVERYTHING THAT IT EVER STOOD FOR, FOR ALL OF THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE WORKED HERE WHO I HAVE CARED FOR, AND ALL OF THE ONES WHO CARED FOR ME, I THANK YOU SO MUCH FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART. S. [APPLAUSE] >> Adrienne: SHE SPENT THREE DECADES HERE AT THE CBC,
QULDING “TAKE 30,” AND “THE FIFTH ESTATE,” BEFORE MOVING TO HUGE ROLES IN PUBLIC SERVICE. SHE IS REVERED FOR HER COURAGE AND INTERVIEW SKILLS AND HER ABILITY TO ASK THE QUESTIONS THAT PEOPLE AT HOME WERE THINKING ABOUT. AND SHE’S HAD THE SORT OF IMPACT THAT STILL MAKES A DIFFERENCE HERE. [♪ SINGING ♪]
>>> AND ANOTHER HONOUR TONIGHT FOR TAYLOR SWIFT. SHE IS THE “TIME” PERSON OF THE YEAR. THE FIRST WOMAN TO EVER RECEIVE THE TITLE TWICE. SWIFT’S ERA TOUR IS PROJECTED TO BE THE HIGHEST GROSSING OF ALL TIMES. >>> A LOT OF JAYS FANS ARE LIKELY HOLDING THEIR BREATH. BASEBALL’S BIGGEST SUPERSTAR
COULD BE COMING TO TORONTO. THOMAS DAIGLE NOW WITH THE ANTICIPATION AND THE SPECULATION. >> Reporter: NOTHING COULD GET BASEBALL FANS AMPED UP IN DECEMBER LIKE RAMPANT RUMOURS ABOUT THE HOTTEST PLAYER ON THE PLANET MAKING HIS WAY HERE — MAYBE. >> PLEASE COME TO TORONTO. IT WOULD BE GREAT.
>> I THINK THIS IS A PERFECT CITY FOR HIM. >> Reporter: JAPANESE FREE AGENT PHENOM SHOHEI OHTANI IS IN SERIOUS TALKS TO LEAVE THE LOS ANGELES ANGELS AFTER SIX SEASONS. THE REIGNING AMERICAN LEAGUE M.V.P. AT AGE 29, HE IS AN ULTRA-RARE ACE PITCHER AND SUPER SLUGGER. >> HE’S DOING BOTH AND EXCELLING
AT BOTH. WE HAVE QUITE SIMPLY NEVER SEEN THAT BEFORE. >> Reporter: THIS PAST SEASON, OHTANI HIT MORE HOME RUNS THAN ANYONE ELSE IN THE LEAGUE. NOW SPORTS MEDIA ARE DEVOTING HOURS OF COVERAGE TO SPECULATE ABOUT WHERE OHTANI WILL LAND. >> I WANT GUYS TO LOOK AT THE PIE CHART AND THE LIKELIHOOD OF
THE TEAM WHERE HE WILL GO. >> Reporter: THE BLUE JAYS ARE CONSIDERED ONE OF HIS MOST LIKELY PICKS, BUT THE CLUB’S MANAGEMENT IS KEEPING QUIET. >> ANY DEAL TO PULL OFF THAT IS OF SOME SIGNIFICANCE IS EXCEPTIONALLY COMPLEX. >> Reporter: OHTANI WENT TO THE SAME HIGH SCHOOL IN JAPAN AS
JAY’S PITCHER YUSEI KIKUCHI WHO IS ALSO SAID TO HAVE ENJOYED HIS PREVIOUS STOPS IN TORONTO, LIKE THIS ONE LAST YEAR. BUT THERE’S MORE. OBVIOUSLY OHTANI WOULD BE PLAYING HERE AT THE ROGERS CENTRE. IN YOUR MIND WHAT MIGHT ATTRACT HIM TO TORONTO AND TO CANADA? >> AND HE DOESN’T HAVE THE SAME
BASEBALL MEDIA FOCUS AS LIKE A NEW YORK OR BOSTON MIGHT HAVE. OHTANI HAS ALWAYS PREFERRED TO AVOID DISTRACTIONS AND MAINTAIN HIS PRIVACY AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. >> Reporter: RECENT SURGERY IS LIKELY TO KEEP OHTANI FROM PITCHING NEXT SEASON. STILL, HE’S LOOKING FOR A MAJOR PAYDAY AND THE JAYS’ OWNER ROGERS HAS DEEP POCKETS.
OHTANI HIMSELF HAS SAID NOTHING PUBLICLY ABOUT ANY OF THIS. WHENEVER HE DOES SIGN A CONTRACT IT’S EXPECTED TO BE THE BIGGEST EVER IN NORTH AMERICAN SPORTS, WORTH MORE THAN $500 MILLION U.S. THOMAS DAIGLE, CBC NEWS, TORONTO. >> Adrienne: RIGHT NOW WE ARE BREAKING DOWN THE ISRAEL-HAMAS WAR. HOW WILL THE BATTLE IN GAZA
SHAPE THE CHANCES FOR FUTURE PEACE? EHUD BARAK HAS SOME BLUNT THINGS TO SAY. AND I WILL SPEAK TO THE FORMER ISRAELI LEADER IN A MOMENT. >>> FIRST, THE WORLD WATCHES GAZA’S UNFOLDING CATASTROPHE. ISRAEL’S MILITARY CAMPAIGN INTENSIFIES AND THE CRISIS FOR CIVILIANS WORSEN. THE HAMAS-RUN HEALTH MINISTRY IN GAZA SAYS THAT MORE THAN 16,000
ARE DEAD. AND WITH SO MANY OF THE LIVING CRAMMED INTO A TINY SPACE, ANOTHER WARNING FROM THE U.N. — THE RISK OF EPIDEMIC DISEASE. ISRAEL SAYS THAT IT IS DIRECTING CIVILIANS AWAY FROM ITS MILITARY TARGETS. ELLEN MAURO SHOWS WHY AID AGENCIES SAY THERE IS NO SAFE PLACE TO GO. >> Reporter: PALESTINIANS
DISPLACED AGAIN AND AGAIN AT EVERY PHASE OF ISRAEL’S GROUND OFFENSIVE IN GAZA. >>(SPEAKING ALTERNATE LANGUAGE). >> Reporter:”WE CAN’T FIND ANY TRANSPORTATION,” SAYS THIS BOY, ON THE MOVE WITH HIS FAMILY. “PEOPLE FEEL FOR US. FOR GOD’S SAKE.” THE U.N. SAYS THAT 1.9 MILLION PEOPLE HAVE BEEN DISPLACED, NEARLY 80% OF GAZA’S POPULATION.
AND AS ISRAELI TROOPS NOW PRESS FURTHER INTO THE SOUTH, GAZA CIVILIANS ARE BEING PUSHED INTO EVEN SMALLER AREAS. >> PEOPLE ARE BEING MOVED AROUND LIKE CHESS PIECES. IT IS COLD, CALLOUS, TO BE HONEST, IT’S CALCULATING. >> Reporter: ISRAEL SAYS THAT IT IS FOR THEIR SAFETY. >> WE ARE OPERATING WITH MAXIMUM
FORCE AGAINST HAMAS WHILE MINIMIZING OUR HARM TO THE CIVILIAN THAT HAMAS PLACES AROUND THEM. >> Reporter: BUT THE PALESTINIANS AND AID AGENCIES ASSERT THAT THERE’S NO SAFE PLACE FOR CIVILIANS IN GAZA. WITH THE POPULATION OF 2.2 MILLION BEFORE THE WAR, GAZA IS A SMALL STRIP OF LAND, JUST 41
KILOMETRES LONG, BETWEEN SIX TO 12 KILOMETRES WIDE. ISRAEL CONTROLS ITS COASTLINE AND MOST OF ITS LAND BORDERS ALONG WITH EGYPT. A WEEK INTO THE FIGHTING, THE ISRAELI MILITARY TOLD 1.1 MILLION PEOPLE IN NORTHERN GAZA TO GO SOUTH. PAST THIS LINE, INTO AN AREA ABOUT 30 KILOMETRES LONG. AS IT TARGETED HAMAS IN THE
NORTH FOR THE DEADLY OCTOBER 7TH ATTACKS IN ISRAEL. >>(SPEAKING ALTERNATE LANGUAGE). >> Reporter: “I CALL ON CIVILIANS TO GET OUT,” SAYS ISRAELI PRIME MINISTER BENJAMIN NETANYAHU, “MOVE SOUTH.” HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS EVENTUALLY FLED THROUGH EVACUATION CORRIDORS OPENED BY ISRAELI TROOPS. SO MANY ON FOOT. CARRYING WHAT LITTLE THEY COULD. COUNTLESS ENDING UP IN CROWDED
SQUALID TENT CITIES. ISRAEL’S MILITARY SAID THAT THE SOUTH WOULD BE SAFER. STILL IT HAS BEEN HIT REPEATEDLY THROUGHOUT THE WAR. HERE THE AFTERMATH OF AN ISRAELI STRIKE IN KHAN YOUNIS. THE LARGEST CITY IN THE SOUTH IN MID-OCTOBER. THIS WAS AL-NASER HOSPITAL IN KHAN YOUNIS AROUND THE SAME TIME. THE RUSH TO SAVE CHILDREN
INJURED, HOSPITAL OFFICIALS SAID, IN ANOTHER ISRAELI STRIKE. >>(SPEAKING ALTERNATE LANGUAGE). >> Reporter: “WHERE DO WE GO?” SAYS THIS MAN WHOSE FAMILY MOVED FROM THE NORTH, “WHERE EXACTLY SHOULD WE GO?” CAN YOU STILL HEAR ME? WE REACHED AKRAM AL-JOURI, A JOURNALIST IN KHAN YOUNIS. COMMUNICATIONS ARE DIFFICULT. WHAT HAS IT BEEN LIKE FOR YOU?
>> [INDISCERNIBLE] YOU ARE SLEEPING AT NIGHT AND YOU WAKE UP TO THE SHOCK. >> Reporter: ISRAEL’S MOST IMPORTANT ALLY PRESSURED IT FOR CHANGE. >> TAKING MORE EFFECTIVE STEPS TO PROTECT THE LIVES OF CIVILIANS, INCLUDING BY CLEARLY EMPHASIZING THE DESIGNATED AREAS OUT OF THE LINE OF FIRE. IT MEANS AVOIDING FURTHER DISPLACEMENT OF CIVILIANS.
>> Reporter: IN THIS EXPANDED GROUND OFFENSIVE NOW INTO KHAN YOUNIS WHERE ISRAEL BELIEVES THAT SENIOR HAMAS LEADERS ARE HIDING, THE U.S. SAYS THAT ISRAEL’S STRATEGY HAS SHIFTED SOMEWHAT, POINTING TO A NEW GRID SYSTEM CREATED BY THE ISRAEL DEFENCE FORCES FOR MORE TARGETED VERSUS THE EARLIER MASS EVACUATION ORDERS.
THOSE IN THE CENTRAL AND THE NORTHERN KHAN YOUNIS BLOCS ARE BEING TOLD TO MOVE SOUTH. THE FIGHTING INTENSIFIED. THE I.D.F. TALKS ABOUT RAMPING UP ATTACKS IN KHAN YOUNIS AND I CAN SEE YOUR FACE WHEN I TELL YOU THAT. UNICEF SPOKESPERSON JAMES ELDER JUST LEFT GAZA. WHAT DO YOU THINK THAT THE NEXT
FEW DAYS LOOK LIKE? >> A LOT OF BLOODSHED, JUST HEARTBREAK, MORE AND MORE CHILDREN WHO WILL SEE THEIR MOM AND DAD KILLED. MORE AND MORE PARENTS WHO WILL SPEND THE REST OF THEIR LIVES NOT HAVING A DAUGHTER OR A SON WHO HAS BEEN KILLED. >> Reporter: ISRAEL BLAMES HAMAS ACCUSING MILITANTS OF
SHIELDING BEHIND CIVILIANS. IT ALSO HAS CREATED A SAFE ZONE HERE IN al-MAWASI, JUST ONE KILOMETRE WIDE, 14 KILOMETRES LONG. BUT INTERNATIONAL ORGANIZATIONS SAY THAT IS NOWHERE NEAR A SERIOUS PLAN, WHEN HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS NEED SHELTER. >> WE ARE TALKING ABOUT BARREN BITS OF LAND OR STREET CORNERS OR — OR HALF EMPTY BUILDINGS.
THEY CAN’T GET SUPPORT THERE. THEY CAN’T GET CLEAN WATER. >> Reporter: AKRAM SAYS THAT HIS FAMILY HAS BEEN TOLD TO GO TO RAFAH ABOUT 10 KILOMETRES SOUTH UP AGAINST THE EGYPTIAN BORDER. BUT IF THEY LEAVE, HE FEARS THEY’LL BE FORCED OUT OF GAZA ENTIRELY, NEVER ABLE TO RETURN.
>> IT’S EXTREMELY BARE AND — [INDISCERNIBLE] THE ONES WHO WOULD LIKE TO STAY ALIVE. >> Reporter: STAYING ALIVE FOR THE DISPLACED ARE GETTING HARDER BY THE DAY, SAY AID AGENCIES, IN THESE OVERRUN CAMPS THEY NOW CALL HOME. >> WE MAY SEE FROM DISEASE THE SAME NUMBER OF CHILDREN KILLED
AS WE HAVE FROM BOMBARDMENTS. >> Adrienne: SO, ELLEN, I THINK THAT BEYOND FEAR, WE HAVE ALSO SEEN A RELUCTANCE ON THE PART OF SOME PEOPLE TO EVACUATE SOUTH FROM THIS WAR? >> Reporter:THAT’S RIGHT. WE HAVE SEEN THAT AFTER CALLS FROM THE ISRAELI MILITARY FOR CIVILIANS TO EVACUATE AHEAD OF EXPANDING MILITARY OPERATIONS.
MANY PALESTINIANS LIKE AKRAM IN THIS STORY SAY THEY FEAR BEING PUSHED FROM THEIR COMMUNITIES FOREVER. THEY FEAR THEY SAY BEING PUSHED INTO EGYPT’S SINAI DESERT BY THE ISRAELI MILITARY. A SENIOR MEMBER OF THE ISRAELI GOVERNMENT, A FAR-RIGHT MINISTER, HAS SAID THAT IT WOULD BE BETTER IF PALESTINIANS WEREN’T IN GAZA.
IF THEY WERE IN OTHER COUNTRIES INSTEAD. THAT’S ADDING TO THOSE FEARS, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE THERE’S SUCH LITTLE CLARITY ON WHAT COULD HAPPEN IN GAZA AFTER THE WAR. AND BECAUSE THERE’S THIS HISTORY OF FORCED DISPLACEMENT FOR PALESTINIANS HANGING OVER ALL OF THIS. >> Adrienne:ALL RIGHT, WELL, EVERYONE IS WATCHING TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
ELLEN MAURO, THANK YOU. >> Reporter: YOU’RE WELCOME. >> Adrienne: A FORMER ISRAELI PRIME MINISTER IS CALLING FOR BENJAMIN NETANYAHU’S RESIGNATION. >> THE MAIN RESPONSIBILITIES IN OUR HISTORY IS THIS. >> Adrienne: WHAT HE SAYS THAT IS NEEDED TO INCH CLOSER TOWARDS PEACE. >> Adrienne: WHEN IT COMES TO ISRAEL’S RECENT HISTORY WITH PALESTINIANS, EHUD BARAK KNOWS THE POLITICS AND THE WAR. THE ONE-TIME I.D.F. LEADER WAS DEFENCE MINISTER DURING THE WAR IN 2008 AND HE WAS PRIME MINISTER DURING FORMAL PEACE TALKS MORE THAN 20 YEARS AGO. WHAT ARE HIS THOUGHTS NOW?
I SPOKE WITH EHUD BARAK ABOUT HOW THE WAR IS BEING FOUGHT, WHAT COMES AFTER, AND WHY HE SAYS THAT BENJAMIN NETANYAHU MUST RESIGN. WE’RE TALKING TO YOU AS ISRAEL’S MOST DECORATED SOLDIER, AND TALKING ABOUT A WAR THAT IS NOW — IF NOT THE LONGEST, BUT APPROACHING TO BE THE LONGEST IN ISRAEL’S HISTORY.
I HAVE NO IDEA WHERE THIS GOES. WHAT DO YOU THINK? >> IT’S CLEAR THAT THE TWO CLOCKS ARE NOT SYNCHRONIZED. THE MILITARY OPERATIONS NEED AND THE GENERALS NEED MANY MONTHS AND THE CASE WE MAY LOSE THE LEGITIMACY IS REMOVED FROM THIS OPERATION. THERE’S A LOSS OF LIFE OF INNOCENT CIVILIANS.
>> Adrienne: THERE IS SO MUCH ANGER AS YOU ALLUDED TO AROUND THE WORLD AS TO THE LOSS OF CIVILIAN LIFE IN GAZA AND THE AMERICANS IN PARTICULAR SEEM TO BE ASKING FOR RESULTS, NOT JUST INTENT. >> WE TRY TO DO OUR BEST IN GAZA AND IT ENDED UP, HOWEVER YOU
LOOK AT IT, IN MORE THAN WORDS CAN SWALLOW WITH THE COLLATERAL DAMAGE. SOME GOVERNMENTS AND EVEN IN AMERICA THERE IS A CERTAIN UNEASINESS. I BELIEVE THAT WE NEED CHANGES IN STYLE WHEN YOU COME TOGETHER, AND THERE IS EVEN DIFFERENCES IN BETWEEN GAZA, WHICH IS A HIGH POWER AND KHAN YOUNIS AND RAFAH,
WHICH IS MUCH LOWER, AND MORE CROWDED, DENSE KIND OF STRUCTURES. I BELIEVE THAT WE WILL TRY TO LEARN SOME OF THE LESSONS AND TRY TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF CASUALTIES IN ORDER TO MINIMIZE THE DAMAGE TO CIVILIANS. I HOPE THAT IT WILL WORK. >> Adrienne: THERE’S TALK OF THE
WAR AND THEN THERE’S THE TALK OF AFTER THE WAR. THE FORMER DEFENCE MINISTER AND PRIME MINISTER SAYS FURY AT THE LEADERSHIP IN ISRAEL GOES BEYOND THE DESPAIR AND RAGE THAT THE OCTOBER 7TH ATTACKS HAPPENED AND BEYOND THE BRUTALITY OF THE WAR. THERE’S FRUSTRATION THAT THERE DOES NOT APPEAR TO BE A PLAN FOR
GAZA. HIS ADVICE IS SOMETHING THAT PRIME MINISTER BENJAMIN NETANYAHU DOES NOT WANT TO HEAR — WORK WITH THE PALESTINIAN AUTHORITY. >> IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO HAND IT OVER, AND [INDISCERNIBLE] THERE NEEDS TO BE A LOT OF TRUST. THEY EXPECT TO KNOW THAT WHEN THEY DO THESE STEPS, THEY ARE
REMOVING TOWARDS A NEW CHAPTER THAT MIGHT INCLUDE STEPS TOWARDS A TWO-STATE SOLUTION. >> Adrienne: SO THAT SOLUTION IS ONE THAT NETANYAHU WOULD JUST TEAR UP LIKE A PIECE OF PAPER? >> IF THIS WON’T WORK WE MIGHT FOUND OURSELVES IN A DEADLOCK, AND WE MIGHT FIND OURSELVES ON WIDENING THE WAR INTO A REGIONAL
WAR, WHICH I DON’T BELIEVE WOULD SERVE ANYONE, NEITHER OUR ENEMIES NOR OURSELVES. >> Adrienne:WHAT IS YOUR SENSE OF WHAT MAY BE CHANGING IN THE NORTH, ON THE BORDER WITH LEBANON AND WITH HEZBOLLAH? >> I CANNOT PREDICT AND I DON’T THINK THAT ANYONE ELSE CAN PREDICT. WE DO NOT HAVE AN INTEREST IN A
WAR. THE AMERICANS, THEY ARE DEPLOYING ASSETS IN THE REGION IN ORDER TO DETER HEZBOLLAH. SO I THINK BUT WE CANNOT BE SURE. >> Adrienne: ARE YOU WORRIED ABOUT THE AMERICANS AND ABOUT THEIR PATIENCE? >> NO. I’M NOT WORRIED. TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH, BIDEN IS HIGHLY ADMIRED HERE.
IT IS CLEAR THAT WITH TIME AND THEY ARE ESPECIALLY WORRIED ABOUT CIVILIAN LOSSES AND ABOUT THE HUMANITARIAN NEEDS. AND WE HAVE TO FIND WAYS IN ORDER TO DO THE MAXIMUM IN ORDER TO PROVIDE IT. NOT JUST BECAUSE BIDEN WANTS IT, BUT BECAUSE IT’S THE RIGHT THING TO WIN THE WAR.
>> Adrienne: I UNDERSTAND THAT THE ISRAELI PUBLIC, THE POLLS ARE PRETTY CLEAR THAT THEY WANT NETANYAHU TO GO. BUT IN TERMS OF WITHIN HIS OWN PARTY AND WITHIN THE GOVERNMENT, HOW MUCH PRESSURE IS THERE FOR HIM TO GO? >> THE MAIN RESPONSIBILITY FOR THIS AND IN THIS IS OUR HISTORY,
AND 70%, WHICH INCLUDE OTHER VOTERS, 40% OF ISRAEL VOTERS SAY THAT HE NEEDS TO RESIGN. IN ANY NORMAL COUNTRY HE WOULD HAVE RESIGNED ON OCTOBER 8TH. BUT ISRAEL IS NOT A NORMAL COUNTRY IN THIS REGARD. AND THAT’S WHY WE ARE IN THIS — THIS INTERNAL DIFFICULTY. >> Adrienne: IF EVER THERE WAS A
TIME WHEN PEACE FELT CLOSE, IT WAS WHEN HE WAS PRIME MINISTER. JOSTLING WITH YASSER ARAFAT AT CAMP DAVID WHILE BILL CLINTON WAS PRESIDENT IN 2000. A TWO-STATE SOLUTION WAS SUGGESTED BUT A DEAL DIDN’T COME TO BE. HIS THOUGHT NOW — DON’T CONSIDER THAT MOMENT ANCIENT HISTORY, JUST MAYBE THIS IS
PRECISELY THE TIME TO REVIVE A SIMILAR DEAL. I WILL FOREVER SEE THAT PICTURE OF YOU AND ARAFAT TRYING TO SQUEEZE THROUGH THE DOOR AT CAMP DAVID, BILL CLINTON, ALL OF THE LAUGHTER — THAT MOMENT OF GETTING CLOSE TO A DEAL THAT WASN’T SIGNED. THE TWO-STATE SOLUTION NEVER CAME TO BE.
IS WHAT YOU ARE PROPOSING NOW SIMILAR TO THAT? I MEAN, A LOT OF TIME HAS GONE BY, BUT HOW SIMILAR WOULD THEY BE? >> AND I HAVE AN OLD SAYING, YOU DON’T KNOW WHICH BOAT, KNOW WHICH WOULD TAKE YOU THERE. LEADERSHIP HAS TO HAVE VISION. HAS TO HAVE OBJECTIVE.
AND NEVER LOSE SIGHT OF WHERE YOU ARE HEADING. OTHERWISE, YOU DON’T KNOW HOW TO ACT IN THE PRESENT. AND I THINK THAT THE RIGHT VISION FOR ISRAEL IN THE LONG TERM IS A TWO-STATE SOLUTION. IT HAS BEEN 20 YEARS AGO, AND IT’S NOW, AND IT WILL REMAIN THE SAME. OTHER ALTERNATIVES HAVE BEEN
IDENTIFIED. SO WHAT WE NEED NOW IS A GOVERNMENT, A UNITY GOVERNMENT, I BELIEVE WITHOUT NETANYAHU AND WITHOUT THE — [INDISCERNIBLE] AND THIS GOVERNMENT HAS TO TAKE THE WAR INTO THE NEXT STAGES PROPERLY. AND INTO A NEW ELECTION WHERE THESE ISSUES, TOGETHER WITH MANY OTHER ONES, WILL BE DECIDED BY THE PEOPLE.
>> Adrienne: I CANNOT THANK YOU ENOUGH FOR YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. >> Adrienne: SO LET’S BRING IN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT MARGARET EVANS IN JERUSALEM. SO, MARGARET, YOU HEARD EHUD BARAK THERE TALKING ABOUT WANTING TO REVIVE THE IDEA OF THE TWO-STATE SOLUTION. WHAT ABOUT ISRAELIS AND
PALESTINIANS, HOW IS THAT LANDING THERE? AND HOW HAS THE WAR CHANGED THEM? >> Reporter: WELL, IT’S INTERESTING, ADRIENNE, YOU KNOW, WHEN I THINK ABOUT IT, I THINK ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT AS IF THE TWO-STATE SOLUTION IS AN IDEA. THAT IS ALMOST AN OLD TOY THAT HAS BEEN LEFT IN THE
TOY BOX, AND IT IS OUT OF FAVOU. IT HAS BEEN OUT OF FAVOUR FOR A LONG TIME. AND NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY THAT USED TO ACCEPT AND PROMOTE IT HAS PICKED IT UP AGAIN. BUT THE SITUATION HERE ON THE GROUND IS SO DIRE, THE DISTRUST, YOU KNOW, AT UNPRECEDENTED
LEVELS. BUT IT MAKES IT VERY, VERY HARD FOR PALESTINIANS AND ISRAELIS TO ACTUALLY PICK IT UP AGAIN AND BELIEVE IT. YOU KNOW HOW HARD IT WAS THE FIRST TIME. AND THAT WAS 30 YEARS AGO. SO I THINK THAT A VERY, VERY LONG ROAD AHEAD TO GET PEOPLE BACK ONBOARD WITH THAT AND IT
WOULD REALLY NEED BIG SERIOUS INTERNATIONAL COMMITMENT. >> Adrienne: MARGARET, IN THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY THERE IS GROWING INTERNATIONAL PRESSURE ON NETANYAHU. WHAT IS THE IMPACT OF THAT? >> Reporter: YEAH, ADRIENNE, WE HEARD AGAIN FROM THE U.N. SECRETARY GENERAL ANTÓNIO GUTERRES, CALLING FOR AN IMMEDIATE CEASEFIRE, WARNING THAT THE HUMANITARIAN SYSTEM IS ON THE
VERGE OF COLLAPSE. ISRAEL HAS A DIFFICULT RELATIONSHIP WITH THE U.N. SECRETARY GENERAL AND A NUMBER OF U.N. AGENCIES. BUT WE’RE ALSO HEARING FROM GROUPS LIKE THE NORWEGIAN REFUGEE COUNCIL SAYING THIS IS THE WORST — ONE OF THE WORST ASSAULTS ON A CIVILIAN POPULATION IN OUR TIME. THAT KIND OF LANGUAGE, THE
IMAGES THAT WE’RE SEEING OUT THERE, BUT SO FAR THE ISRAELIS SEEM DETERMINED THAT THEY ARE IN THE SOUTH OF GAZA AND THEY SAY THEY ARE IN THE HEART OF KHAN YOUNIS AND THEY SEEM DETERMINED TO CARRY ON THIS OPERATION UNTIL THEY CAN ENSURE THAT HAMAS CAN’T HURT THEM AGAIN.
>> Adrienne: ALL RIGHT, SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT MARGARET EVANS IN JERUSALEM, THANK YOU. >>> COMING UP, A RESCUE WITH A BIT OF A SHOCKING TWIST. >> OH, MY GOD! OH! I HAVE TO GO CHECK ON MY CAT. ODDDS? CIVILIANS? LISTEN WHEREVER YOU GET YOUR PODCASTS OR ON YouTube.
>> Adrienne: YEAH, SO THIS IS NOT WHERE YOU EXPECT TO SEE YOUR HOUSE CAT, 10 METRES UP WITH NOTHING BUT AIR BETWEEN IT AND THE GROUND. QUITE AN UNNERVING SIGHT, BUT DO NOT WORRY, HE, HIS NAME IS COCOA, IS JUST FINE. SO COCOA, THE ORANGE TABBY, HAD BEEN CHASED UP THE UTILITY POLE
BY A DOG AND HE CHOSE TO JUST SPRING INTO THE AIR JUST SECONDS BEFORE BEING RESCUED. COCOA’S TERRIFIC LEAP IS OUR “MOMENT.” >> OH, MY GOD! OH! MY CAT! HE GETS UP IN YOUR ARMS AND LIES DOWN. HE IS A FRIENDLY CAT. I KNOW, MY BOY. HE WAS DOWN IN THE GARDEN AND
THE DOG WAS CHASING THE CAT AND THE DOG CHASED HIM. THEN ONE OF THE NEIGHBOURS SAID MAYBE HE’LL COME ALONG AND GRAB HIM. AND MY HUSBAND AND THE NEIGHBOUR TRIED TO GET A LADDER UP TO HIM BUT WE COULDN’T GET THE LADDER UP FAR ENOUGH. WATCH THAT HE DON’T SCRATCH YOU.
AND THAT POLE WAS REALLY, REALLY HIGH. OH, MY GOD! AND THE ONLY ONE THAT YOU CAN CALL IS WITH A LADDER THAT IS TALLER. ONE OF GOITS STARTED CLIMBING UP, MY HEART WAS POUNDING. MY CAT! HE DIDN’T GO FAR AND THE CAT SAW THE POLE SHAKING AND HE WAS
AFRAID AND HE JUST LEAPED. BUT AS WHEN HE HIT THE GROUND HE TOOK OFF RUNNING SO I KNEW THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT HE WAS GOOD. HE CAME IN THE HOUSE AFTER AND LIE DOWN AND HE WAS PERFECT. YOU WOULDN’T EVEN SAY THAT IT HAPPENED. MY CAT HAS NINE LIVES I GUESS.
>> Adrienne: OH, COCOA, YOU KNOW THAT HE’S GOING TO DO IT AGAIN. A BIG THANKS FROM HER, FROM EVERYONE, SAID THE NEWFOUNDLAND LIGHT AND POWER PEOPLE WHO MADE THAT CLIMB. APPARENTLY CATS CAN CLIMB UP, BUT THEY HAVE A HARD TIME CLIMBING DOWN BECAUSE OF THE WAY THAT THEIR PAWS ARE SHAPED OR
SOMETHING LIKE THAT. >>> THANK YOU FOR BEING WITH US. YOU CAN WATCH ANYWHERE, ANY TIME ON THE FREE CBC NEWS APP AND SUBSCRIBE TO “THE NATIONAL’S” YouTube CHANNEL. I’M ADRIENNE ARSENAULT, TAKE CARE.