The Permaculture Nursery – Part 1 – Overview and Integration

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Table of Contents
00:00 – Background and Intent
2:21 – Introduction
3:08 – Table of Contents
4:03 – What a permaculture nursery can look like
6:10 – Our team
7:44 – First plant sale
8:32 – Demonstrations and Installs
9:53 – Cuttings and Shipping
11:59 – Starting a Nursery
13:52 – Volunteering at Nursery
14:54 – Free Hay!
16:01 – Resources for free
17:40 – Simple potted plants
19:55 – Access to land
22:36 – Nursery Integration
25:53 – Hedgerow Mimicry
27:30 – Passive and Simple Systems
28:30 – Niche Analysis
30:57 – First Steps!

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Hi my name is Shan demoski a little over 10 years ago I helped create a project that we call Edible Acres which is a permaculture Nursery nled in the fingerlakes of Central New York it’s a cold temperate climate here and over the years over nearly 20 years now of experimenting with perennial plant

Propagation I feel like I’ve learned a fair bit on how to start a small scale or human scale Nursery I was invited this last summer by a permaculture training group up in Canada called Verge permaculture to put together a 4-week training program on permaculture centered propagation training and so

What I’d like to do I shared that over the summer and now I’m re-recording this whole uh presentation it’s a four-part series to share for free on YouTube here and so I’m going to start with this first presentation being an overview of what edible acres is talking about the

Ethics that wrap around our Nursery how we operate how a permaculture Nursery can look some ideas on what it might take to get the ball rolling if that’s something of interest to you then we’re going to get into uh section two three and four will be really in-depth

Discussion about what I understand in the realm of propagation it’ll be all um direct information on how to propagate from hardwood and from softwood cuting from seeds and this will all be through the lens of someone who’s figuring it out as they go along which is me um so

Hopefully these things will be useful to you the last video will be about actionable steps if you had interest in developing a permaculture Nursery either for fun or for revenue for yourself so it’s going to be broken down into four videos I’ll try to organize things through chapters and you’re invited to

Uh share questions in the comments I’ll do my best to answer but the community is encouraged to answer those questions as well if you find all of this super valuable that’s wonderful if you’d like to support us uh you’re welcome to use the PayPal link uh listed here to offer

A little tip but feel no pressure to do so I’m hoping this is useful to you feel free to share these videos far and wide to anyone that you think might derive some value from it and so that being said let me hop right into presentation

One about who we are and what this is all about uh there’ll be a link in the description for the the most important thing to write down and make a note of is uh the last link tinyurl.com all those letters uh I plan to leave this presentation up available for free

Indefinitely that’ll be the case for all four of them so if you make a little note of that somewhere you can always return to this video but uh that’s if you miss a slide as we go feel free to just refer back to this it is a uh a

Free and available uh slide show online so we are edible Acres we have a YouTube channel as I’m guessing most of you know if if you’re watching this chances are you know about us through that um but maybe I can share a little bit more information about who we are but let me

Give first the sense of what I’d like to talk about in this particular set of slides so it’ll be an introduction then I want to get into how we operate like what are the ethics and principles that wrap around our Nursery how do we function how do we keep held within a

Framework in that way um Talk about access to land we have some in what I think are interesting creative really human Centric solutions to getting access to small plots of land in order to develop and expand our nursery and then uh I think importantly some design considerations around how a nursery can

Start uh to develop so maybe you already are growing annuals or you’ve got a uh CSA Farm of some sort of flower farm and you want to integrate Nursery um aspects to it I’d like to share how that can look um first things first this is to my

Mind I think a really sweet photo to represent the the sensibility the sense of what a permaculture Nursery can look like not that it should but that it can look like so this is a photo of our backyard and by all accounts this could land visually as just a an abandoned or

Barely managed uh landscape Somewhere Out near a wetland that could be kind of true but if you um if you relax your eyes or if you zoom in depends on how that works for you what’s happening in this photo is actually really curated and I think really functional we do have

A wetland there is let’s hopefully this laser will work um there is this uh group of cattails in here this is a small handd pond it is a wet site that we Farm on and so we leaned into that and dug a little bit to create some uh

Pond some water holding and put that soil nearby to grow crops in fact right where we dug out the pond and applied soil there’s now cuttings of Elderberry we’ll talk about propagating cuting in some of the other videos there’re cuting of poppers but then there’s also annuals

There’s some beans in here there’s some flowers there’s uh some poppies growing in here and then there are mother plants that are meant to live here in the long run to establish a successional Arc for the the long term like some elderberries growing that we can take cuting from or

Can just allow to grow in the landscape all of this is in respect to the ecosystem that it lives within it provides ecosystem service to Wildlife and little creatures and it also generates revenue for us which is important if we want to be able to make

Our livelihood from the land we live on uh and I think it’s kind of beautiful that part is subjective the rest I think is a I can make a strong argument for but this is an image that captures what in the middle of a season a permaculture Nursery can look like you’ll notice

There’s no uh complex infrastructure there’s no plastic in here this is ecosystem functioning and moving along and generating a lot of yields we’re pretty small uh we are a small team well there’s me in the center there uh I got this ball rolling back around 2010 or so Sasha to my right is

My wonderful wife we now have a little one with us at some point we’ll do an update with who that person is that little Zelda and then Juan has been with us for number of years we do a um complex and I think interesting profit sharing model where we are all together

Making design decisions about what this company what this business uh what the Arc of our work can look like we have folks that come in and volunteer we have folks uh that we might pay seasonally when we need pushes for uh shipping season but we’re a small team very human

Centric work this is a photo from back when the nursery was just getting up to speed I would guess this is about 2010 this was a year where I uh collected some chestnuts the fall before and grew them out strange photo here seeing a a

Bare root plant in full Leaf but at the time I didn’t know any better and so I thought o what a nice photo it’s beautiful chestnut tree uh would not do that now pulling them out of a pot in order to show them off but this was the

Very early stages I tried to collect some seeds from local trees let me learn how to grow them out um start trying to sell them on a very small scale it was entirely potted plant sales we had no online presence and that worked well

Enough as a place to start it was a very Scrappy very slow iterative start to the nursery I don’t know that I would do it any other way to be honest I don’t know that I would know how in fact the first plant sale I brought uh potted plants to

This is a photo again from 2011 um I forgot to bring or I didn’t even have any signage and there was um a a white pine tree that had a bow on the ground so my friend and I broke some branches and we made a little edible

Acres sign that was a very first plant sale that was I think we made about $150 in cash and I felt so thrilled uh took days to prepare for and half hour to drive there an hour to load and unload but it was really thrilling I I remember

Doing that sale with AA silver of Twisted tree farm and we were both so excited with how the sale went for the day um we started small and we appreciated the growth we learned a lot as we were going in fact part of the way uh I made

A living early on with this work uh this is the back of an old truck that I bought clearly quite used a little unsafe but drove slowly with it here I was teaching a workshop on establishing Food Forest and the this was a company that sold potting mix in the Ithaca area

And so folks paid a sliding scale for the workshop I brought plants that the business paid for for folks also bought some potted plants and I showed people how I lay out food Forest ideas we planted things together and I was compensated decently for that and people

Went home with some plants and ideas on food Forest establishment that felt like a neat way to start building a relationship in the community building um a reputation in the community as somebody who knows about these things I was making it up as I went along in a

Way I still am but the the project went pretty nicely and it was a fun a fun thing to do and share so it’s a creative uh alternative way instead of explicit plant sales plant sales I think that was something I wanted to move towards but I was open to the idea of

Installing landscapes for people maintaining existing Landscapes doing these workshops uh sharing things for free sometimes or for really low price sliding scale and getting a foot in the door with all of this slowly over time we’ve evolved into uh selling more and more root plants which has been our ideal there’s just

Less total embodied energy it’s more respectful of the needs of the plants and here you can see a very simple way where we process uh huge numbers of cuttings so there’s all sorts of Willows through here there’s Elderberry there’s black currents so we process those in the dormant season we Bank them in

Sawdust and then we start assembling our orders uh we normally do September 1st and again March 1st for receiving orders online and shipping and you can see how simple our shipping setup uh is it’s evolving every year but it’s pretty darn simple here Juan is assembling a package

Of some cuting in fact and we use recycled plastic uh and sawdust we get from a local woodmill and that’s how we wrap up our plants we heal in our be root plants I’ve spoken about this in some other videos I think you can search for heel on our YouTube channel and find

Videos where we talk about this and this is where we have be root dormant plants that are banked into soil you’ll notice we don’t have walk-in coolers we don’t have complex um uh infrastructure there’s not an electrical dependency we just simply Bank the plants into soil

For the winter and then we can pull them in the spring as needed here Sasha is assembling orders for shipping but we like to personalize the orders and uh put them together in nice way we use um leaf bags and you can see on the bottom right here an old Leaf

Bag from collecting leaves in order to uh insulate and protect plants during shipping lots of ways that we can scrap our way through the needs of getting these plants out the door the shipping part of our business has evolved slowly over time but it was local sales for

Quite a while and it was worked pretty well as a place to begin I’m going to zip over this pretty quickly because again you can read this at your leisure if you follow the the tiny URL in the description but I think you don’t need here’s some here’s a list of what you

Don’t need to get the ball rolling you don’t need a huge budget I think you can work well within a small framework and iteratively add to the business as as time allows and as resources allow I think you can start with a very small offering of plants I offered up maybe

Five or six different plants for the first year for few years it wasn’t extremely fruitful but it wasn’t extremely risky and that was very helpful um I started with all hand tools and we still basically use almost entirely hand tools to operate this Nursery so you can work with what you’ve

Got there we grow um a lot of plants on very small plots very intensively managed plots you can even use driveways and things we’ll talk about air prune boxes and some strategies in that regard in other videos um but you can start where you are with what you have I

Strongly believe that the idea that you need uh infrastructure you need a high tunnel you need to have some sort of cooler or root seller you need to have a tractor a roto tiller none of those things are necessary to get going maybe you want them later on you realize

You’re specializing in certain particular crops that require that that’s fine no judgment there but you can absolutely start with what you have and start by uh offering up the plants that are in excess already maybe you’ve got strawberries that are pouring over a bed and you’re losing your walkway uh I

Used to sell be root strawberries wrapped in wet newspaper on Craigslist uh Every Spring and every fall and that generated a few hundred bucks every year and it gave us our Pathways back I sold raspberries In The Same Spirit you can really be creative and really simple slow and small Solutions are really

Appropriate volunteering at nurseries I think this is a very worthwhile way to save money on getting going with plants to build a plant collection and to build relationships so this is me uh visiting triple Brook nursery well me behind the camera um really wonderful Nursery person named Steve Brier who uh taught

Me a huge amount about perennial plant propagation I would drive out to Southampton Massachusetts every year and volunteer for a while get a trunk full of plants to bring home this is how we uh started with miscanthus and Fuki and all of our bamboo varieties whole bunch of other interesting plants and I

Learned an immense amount he got some help from me um i’ worked as hard as I could I slept in the high tunnels there and brought my own food and um yeah those sorts of relationships are extremely beneficial for everyone and really help save a lot of money to get things

Going building local relationships I think is one of of the most important ways to build resilience and also deeper uh sense of community so here there’s a photo of my old truck um that I partially Bartered for and what you’re looking at is a mountain of old hay

There’s an older couple that uh do square bales of hay in our community they know to call me up every um Every Spring to help clean out the barn of loose hay I load up the truck uh David and I load up the truck together and we

Talk about things we catch up I bring all that material back home they’ve got a clear Barn for their hay storage for the season and we can mulch our Pathways so here I’m dumping wheelbarrow loads of hay in our walkway in the spring and spreading it out we get organic matter

Weed suppression Beauty soil life in exchange for helping uh some folks out who need the physical labor and it’s a win-win in all directions so that’s like one tiny little examp example but that can spread in all directions again I’m not going to spend a ton of time on this because you can

Read it um but uh Source things you can source for free or low cost so for building soil there’s tons of options what about wood chips where you are waste hay and straw as I just mentioned you really do want to ask though do they spray any chemicals manure it’s a same

Question are the animals dewormed if not that’s fantastic if so I still I would use it but I would wait you know get the oldest piles we talk about uh harvesting leaf bags on the channel quite a bit that works wonderfully we have our chicken system which we’ll talk about a little bit

Maybe you’ve got a creative uh animal integration system that can generate nutrients um anyway you can read through that if you’d like but uh I the argument that I’m trying to put forward the sentiment here is over and over again where you are with what you have you can

Begin a small scale nursery and maybe it generates very little Revenue at first maybe it’s uh for barter and trade which is fantastic that’s a major thing that we do um but it allows you to kind of learn what you you’re learning techniques for propagation in a lowrisk

Way you’re getting a sense of what the niche is within your community where there is a need for plants like we don’t do grafted apple trees there’s another Nursery in our community that does an incredible job with it why compete with them why bump up against that and it

Takes a little while to learn in the ecosystem where you might fit in so slow and small is safe and it’s more resilient and it’s more pleasurable in my humble opinion I’d like to show here step by step uh example of how we go about or how we in the past have gone

About doing potted plant establishment for local sales this could be something that’s of interest to some folks perhaps um very very simple accessible low Tech low complexity the raw ingredients we use for doing potted plants we start with upcycled pots in this case found a local Nursery that was retiring we got

Somewhere around uh a few thousand pots to work with so that’s something you don’t really need to definitely don’t need to buy those new uh we collect rain water to hydrate them you can use Small Ponds for this we uh generate the potting mix mainly through old old

Manure old waste hay and wood chips that are allowed to compost over winter and the way we hydrate our potted plants as we go so we I’ve talked about this in videos I think if you search for hugle culture in a pot you’ll get a pretty good uh video description to the

Best of my ability of describing how we uh do these potted plants but what we do is we uh pot them up in a simple way with uh Salvage mix aged compost that we generate over the winter and here you can see rain water’s been put

Into um a nice bucket and the plants are soaked in the rainwater and then they’re sat over another bucket so that all the uh drippings all the compost tea is collected and can be recycled and reused so it uh fertilizes the plants as they go and it saves immense amount amount of

Water to do the the potting here we’re leveraging the potted plants as a ryome barrier so we’ve got the potted plants sitting along the boundary between a garden space and a lawn uh we just add wood chips around them and that helps suppress the lawn and expand the gardens

Once the plants leave away or are sold and move away we’re able to then uh plant more crops and expand further and further so you can Leverage The potted plants in situ as a way to generate more Garden space and a race lawn over time we’ve expanded how we grow grow but we

Haven’t done so by big financial investments in buying our own land we’ve expanded by building more relationships with neighbors around us and farming small Parcels here is a photo of some farming space right down the road from where Sasha and I live we share this Farm space with a wonderful older

Gentleman um neighbor of ours who lets us Farm in a nice open field space it’s been incredibly valuable we uh do it entire through just discussion and sitting down to dinner and coming up with ideas of how we can share the space and work together there’s no formalized

Agreement we just check in periodically and it’s been working beautifully here is our uh wonderful neighbor Ian’s lawn just to the south of where Sasha and I live so literally our neighbor direct to us um and in 20120 I approached him about hey what if we started collaborating a little bit and

Growing more food where we both live and starting to hang out more and working on projects together and he was open to it um again it’s been entirely uh agreement through uh just discussion uh not written not legal binding just Community um but this is his lawn in

2020 when we first got started with this and that same lawn has now evolved into a whole ecosystem we’ve got a beautiful Pond that he and I dug together with the rented machine um solar panels laying around in order to pull water from the pond and hydrate our Collective growing

Space and it all just is unfolding as it goes the more beautiful and verdant and abundant these Landscapes are the easier it is it feels to continue to evolve those relationships deepen and expand and affirm that it was the right decision for everyone involved so the beauty of the ecosystem itself tends to

Facilitate and lubricate these sorts of things continuing so it’s really a beautiful way that that can work we also uh decided collectively that a high tunnel that lives on his land can be a nice benefit for everyone and so we started building that high tunnel back in 2021 and now we have the

Space with figs and rosemary and tomatoes and hot peppers in the summer and we all Harvest from there we’ve got greens that we’re figuring out how to grow in the winter and we do some Nursery work in that space as well really functional and really abundant

And very affirming of the the idea of saying yes to us being in that landscape I want to talk a little bit about the idea of having the nursery integrate with other aspects um so annual cropping or other things you might be growing it’s not the best photo here but there is um

Garlic that was growing in and amongst uh rows of hazelnuts in our neighbors field we grew garlic as an annual crop technically it’s a perennial but we we grow it as a a seed crop and we integrate the garlic growing with the hazelnuts growing with the chestnut

Trees our Nursery crops to protect those trees I think your uh Nursery aspirations can be integrated fully with other cropping systems in really creative ways in fact here’s a photo of our garden uh at home a lot is going on here um what we’re seeing here is rooted

Cuting in the middle of this space so it’s opened up we have plants um there’s some goomies and there are some currents so these are plants that we will sell through the nursery uh or we’ll plant out into the landscape so our Nursery plants but in the same bed we have

Lettuce we have beets that are growing on the boundary we have peas that are growing in hitzo which is a perennial Mountain spinach which we can prop propagate for the nursery or we can eat so these plants these uh financially driven possible plants and the plants we

Want to put in our uh salad bowls and eat that evening same bed they can all integrate together in really beautiful ways same picture is happening here it looks just like kind of a weedy wild garden space that’s true to some extent but also it has a huge amount of things

Going on in here so we’ve got Nursery crops in the middle good King Henry uh seedlings black cap raspberries and then on the boundaries or the edges are plants that we are interacting with the mustards and the kales are things we Harvest almost every day for our food um

So the the business and the home use that line is extremely blurry it might not even be a line it’s just basically everybody’s integrated together we Trend towards the picture of Nursery crops are towards the center of a given bed our crops that we wish to harvest frequently

Are cut and come again or more Zone one more uh interactive plants the lettuce The Parsley the cilantro are on the edges of the bed because we don’t need to interact with the nursery crops as frequently that basic pattern is really quite functional for us and something to

Consider but you could have a bed with Chestnut seedlings right in the middle and carrots on the edges I don’t believe that there’s any explicit rule that says no to something like that again once more um Nursery in the middle and plants that we consume on the

Boundaries we cut weeds and cut plants that we don’t need as we go and we use that as a chop and drop mulch to feed the the whole system so it’s quite functional quite integrated and we appreciate it we really enjoy it I think there’s some principles or aesthetic

Maybe sensibility that drive a fair bit of the design in the work that I like to do and that we like to do within our Nursery uh and that is the kind of a mantra that that carries through in most of the plantings is the idea of hedro

Mimickry I find hedro at least where we live to be so comfortable um the hottest days of summer that’s tends to be where I want to go in a big open field I want to be in the hedro the coldest winter days with the wind blowing I like to go

Closer to where the trees are nice and dense and so I find myself designing that sort of sensibility throughout our own Landscapes uh creates a lot of resilience it creates nutrient flow systems there’s chop and drop opportunities throughout a system like that and it creates habitat for us for

The human as needed it also creates it for the animals and for the birds and the pollinators so um our layout you can see here this is this is a curated and cultivated space although it may again look like a wild space but there are elderberries on the boundary there’s

Hickory trees growing throughout there’s apricots there’s all sorts of plants happening through here and then there are Nursery aspects in these little micro Glades in the interior along with annuals and that has been profoundly functional deeply rewarding and actually profitable as far as um total energy in

For what comes out for our financial needs our food needs medicine needs it’s been very worthwhile I think systems for a home scale or small scale permaculture Nursery can be very simple as I’ve tried to outline in this presentation um and in ways it can be quite passive so we

Have rainwater collection systems that the Overflow fills containers fills small ponds and so we have easy ways that we can dip in and uh use watering cans so we’ve got this old salvaged metal uh Barrel that I got off of uh Craigslist for a really low price somebody was doing maple syrup um

Production or collection in it and wanted to get rid of it we’re using that to water our plants there’s just no there are no complex moving Parts there’s no infrastructure that can really easily fail what I lean on is high plant complexity very complex uh perennial dominant systems and low

Technology complexity that combo Works towards our benefit of having a much more resilient and enjoyable system to work with some thoughts to consider moving forward if you do think about the idea of a smallscale nursery either for a livelihood or for um barter or just for the pleasure or for resilience in

Your own community of growing up plants to share with others is to operate um within the boundaries of Niche analysis and so that’s a permaculture principle or a sentiment within permaculture of really looking at the real realities of the space that you’re within so what is what is naturally happening within your

Landscape uh within the limitations of the landscape the abundance the benefits within the challenges and with an eye towards what can happen in the future and so I’m using this photo here to illustrate this concept because our landscape where Sasha and I live the half acre that we are lucky enough to be

On and the acre or so that our neighbor is generous enough to let us work with and is just extremely wet we are in an Upland bog and so for me to do dry crops I would have to dig deep and bu um drainage tile and really fight the

Landscape to just get rid of the water and and force it to be what we want it to be and over time we’re learning our nursery for this small landscape can start to focus more and more on wet tolerant if not wet loving plants so can

We bring in more Iris cultivars can we do more calamus can we explore mitsuba can we Explore More skuret and soan and all these perennial vegetables and medicines and beautiful plants that really like a wet landscape um within the context of the business what are the other nurseries that are occupying space

That have been here for a while there is a really great native plant nursery already we don’t need to make that our specialty like I mentioned before there’s folks that do grafted trees beautifully there’s my dear friend AKA who has a specialty in nut trees from

Seed that’s his Niche how can we fit within that and uh be mutualistic within our community that’s something to consider what is happening in your landscape what’s happening in the businesses and the realities around you what are the desires of uh the community for plants how can you evolve into that

Slowly gently and in a resilient way that functions beautifully for you some thoughts to leave you with if this video was compelling and you feel excited about developing some plant growing either for income or for barter or for pleasure um some questions to to roll around in your mind and perhaps in the

Comments you may want to actively engage with other folks and say what your thoughts are about some of these questions are there other questions you think are relevant let’s continue the conversation in the comments and I encourage you all to have dialogue with each each other where within your

Landscape could you host some propagating efforts are there centers of beds that could work well are there marginal areas are there places a little harder to get to that don’t require as frequent interaction is that something that’s possible are there places within your region 10 mil 20 mil away that you

Can volunteer that you can collaborate with that you can share or barter with what sort of raw ingredients can you start the process of drawing into your land landscape in order to facilitate soil growth uh is a potting mix are there resources that can be for pots for plant propagation that could be

Supportive you can do that in the middle of the winter for sure um summer too but it’s nice to it’s nice to prepare in the winter and get going in the spring for sure what are some limitations TimeWise energy wise physical ability wise um and how can how can we be helpful in

Addressing those how can you Ally with other people in your community to fill out where those limitations are so that you can move things forward are people you can hire or connect with and work with what can your landscape grow best is it particularly super Shady maybe you are a

Mushroom propagator or you’re doing spring ephemerals are you specializing in ramps Are You full blazing sun maybe seab ber is for you all sorts of interesting ways to assess what your landscape is up to and figure figure out how to design plants that work best within those Landscapes what are your

Affinities what are your strengths um what sort of things are most interesting for you to work with is this something that you would like to have be a business and work for you what are your goals let’s talk about that so feel free to share those ideas in the comments and

Let’s get some dialogue going there I may or may not be extremely involved in that part of the conversation uh I’ll try my best to answer specific questions that come up as they come up um but hopefully amongst each other you can have some dialogue and make connections

There so this was part one of four I’ll record the other ones and share them as time allows there’ll be a playlist that organizes all of them in order to the best of my ability I will edit the video such that there are uh is a Time

Breakdown of different parts so you can uh return to this and find the areas you might find useful I’m really open to feedback uh was this something that was useful to you are there ways this could have been better or more effective or there aspects that were a little bit

Annoying or challenging I’m really open to feedback there um part two three and four will be focused on tools and techniques on propagation specifics and on ideas of how to really really act on all this and move things forward so hopefully that will be compelling again

If you found this useful uh the first thing I would hope you would do is use it start propagating some plants think of about uh integrating Nursery work into your life if that feels like a compelling path that would be the most rewarding thing to me second thing if

It’s um a value to you is consider sharing this video this YouTube channel with other folks that you think would derive some value from it if you have the financial means and you’re moved to do so um a tip through the PayPal um portal there would be helpful but please

Don’t feel any pressure whatsoever I’m very happy to share this content for free and defin itely to whoever can find benefit from it I feel like there’s a nearly infinite need for more hearty perennial food bearing plants in this world so the more the merrier in my mind

And just knowing that there might be some people that decide to start growing plants for fun or for profit as a result of this is reward enough for me anyway thank you very much for watching hopefully there’s something in there feel free to continue the conversation in the comments if you’ve got explicit

Questions feel free to share them I’ll do my best to answer as time allows and wishing you all uh success with whatever it is you’re up to thanks for watching