Good gravy. So, I predict they'll do one of those, first X months for $10 a month. See, they'll say, that's not so bad. But, if you want to keep that cool armor only available through us, you're going to have to pay the $30 after that. And we are outraged but people who stumble into D&D because of the movies and the tv show in this new era will likely only see it as one big video game. I'm not sure about this: but do you think WOTC cares if we ( the passionate fans) go if they stand to gain millions of casual post-movie and tv fans who may be willing to pay and won't have the relationship with D&D that goes back to what it was before? Hope I'm wrong.
Suits hate creatives. Hate 'em hate 'em hate 'em. Want to gut what they make and wear it like a hat, want to rip it out of their hands, and suck every penny out of the stream that might come to them, love to see every one of them poor and on a corner selling pencils, love moving to the places and spaces creatives make worthwhile and push them out. How many developers of really quality material in the game became so by refining the work they put into a dungeon they came up with? How thirsty are those jackasses to choke that pipeline of future writers and creators off? Baby Jesus, please make an eleventh plague, and send it after the suits. Make it about body parts falling off.
Crown of Solastra is 5e gaming OGL rules computer game (very true to rules) and apparently its creators signed under a different sort agreement that will stay active.
$30 a month for DND beyond or $50 for a new Pathfinder 2nd edition book that I can use so long as I still have the book, let me think which is a better deal for me
fuck wotc. they aint growing after this, this should be the end of them. i'll never give em another nickel. only reason d&d ever succeeded was the player base creating actual content for it. this shit is like the makers of a hammer trying to claim the houses you built with it.
For all the time that I've been playing the official organized campaign or 5th edition from Wizards of the Coast, I have always had conflicting people tell me that books are required and books are not required. I've had many times that I've seen in the rules for the organized campaign that each player needs a book and then I've had D m's and organizers tell me no we can't tell people they have to buy the books. So I foresee that the next version of the organized play campaign or whenever the new version Will require each player to own their own copy of the player's Handbook and whatever other sources they want to use. Which is funny because the Pathfinder society rules also require you to own a copy of whatever rules supplement you want to use for your character. Although I think a printout of archive of nethias works for the A core information.
This is a monstrously stupid plan by WotC. It’s more unsettling when you realize it only could even work at all by essentially getting out of the print business to drive folks digital.
I don't pay for D&D Beyond right now anyway. I don't need it. It's a glorified character creator — something I do about once every six months. Looking up rules? I rarely do this outside the table. I went 20+ years of D&D without any digital stuff, so I hardly need it. Word, Excel, Paint, etc. work fine for creating modules and campaigns.
I've said this before, but if WotC wants to monetize D&D, I don't see a way of doing that outside of a VTT. Some online rules and character creator isn't worth $30, let alone $3,600 over ten years. Sorry, I don't spend four hours a day in D&D Beyond, to make it worth more than a Netflix, Amazon, or other subscription.
I played AD&D 1E and 2E in the 1980-90s, plus MTG as well. I knew back then that WotC was trash. I'm not saying the earlier additions were perfect; there were definitely some improvements made via 3E, 4E, and 5E. But overall, WotC have been poor stewards of D&D as an IP. The only thing they ever got right as the original OGL. Critical Role and various YouTube content creators have done more for the popularity of the hobby than WotC ever will. And then there's D&D Beyond — such a trash site. I don't understand why there's so many suckers who think it's worth feeding them micro-transactions just to host your character digitally and temporary access to digital books that are lost if you close your account. There's so many better, free online tools available and far better RPGs available. Either way, it's great to see the WotC and D&D Beyond finally get knocked down a peg, but many players in this community are sheep and will come crawling back eventually, if for no other reason than nostalgia. I dare you to be better than that.
Not going to lie… an AI GM actually sounds interesting. If I could play fully solo, I might be interested in this… of course, I am a Pathfinder player and not a D&D one… but it is interesting to me. (The rest of this is all crap.)
You’re not playing D&D without a human DM, you’re playing a video game. The DM is a player too, guiding the game, listening not only to WHAT players are doing and saying, but HOW, catching the subtleties, “reading the room”, catering the experience, making sure players are happy and comfortable, laughing and cheering along with the players. If this comes to pass, this will just be a D&D branded MMORPG. D&D is about fun and camaraderie with people, not AI.
Why is blizzard being stupid and constantly poking us who are the sleeping lion? Did someone with a low iq get into the power position at hasbro or something?
I’m so sick of the video game industry, I ran to old classic rpgs and boomer shooters, and love the occasional 5e game. The idea that they think an ai-dm could do better than a video game, but also charge me $30/month for it? These people are high.
"AI-DMs" They would have to be totally insane. AI isn't anywhere close enough to effectively DM a game. It can barely put together anything fantastical and speaks only in logic. They know this and yet want to put a stripped down version of the game out, the game where you can literally do ANYTHING, go completely off the rails, kill important NPCs, ruin the DMs plans even just for a laugh and they think they can get new fans in with this? A game where the system would be even more constrained than even the basic D&D games that came out 15 years ago? No one would even think 20 dollars a month is fine for that. I refuse to pay for a HUMAN to DM, why the hell would I pay for an AI to do it?
Well, not only pay but also possibly give WOTC free content. At no point is there mentioned that the homebrew you put into your games wouldn't be put into their content at a future date…
This is so silly, but also sad. D&D is a great tool for people to get out, socialize, and make meaningful connections. I'm not signing up for a downgrade.
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Good gravy. So, I predict they'll do one of those, first X months for $10 a month. See, they'll say, that's not so bad. But, if you want to keep that cool armor only available through us, you're going to have to pay the $30 after that. And we are outraged but people who stumble into D&D because of the movies and the tv show in this new era will likely only see it as one big video game. I'm not sure about this: but do you think WOTC cares if we ( the passionate fans) go if they stand to gain millions of casual post-movie and tv fans who may be willing to pay and won't have the relationship with D&D that goes back to what it was before? Hope I'm wrong.
Suits hate creatives. Hate 'em hate 'em hate 'em. Want to gut what they make and wear it like a hat, want to rip it out of their hands, and suck every penny out of the stream that might come to them, love to see every one of them poor and on a corner selling pencils, love moving to the places and spaces creatives make worthwhile and push them out. How many developers of really quality material in the game became so by refining the work they put into a dungeon they came up with? How thirsty are those jackasses to choke that pipeline of future writers and creators off? Baby Jesus, please make an eleventh plague, and send it after the suits. Make it about body parts falling off.
Crown of Solastra is 5e gaming OGL rules computer game (very true to rules) and apparently its creators signed under a different sort agreement that will stay active.
$30 a month for DND beyond or $50 for a new Pathfinder 2nd edition book that I can use so long as I still have the book, let me think which is a better deal for me
fuck wotc. they aint growing after this, this should be the end of them. i'll never give em another nickel. only reason d&d ever succeeded was the player base creating actual content for it. this shit is like the makers of a hammer trying to claim the houses you built with it.
For all the time that I've been playing the official organized campaign or 5th edition from Wizards of the Coast, I have always had conflicting people tell me that books are required and books are not required. I've had many times that I've seen in the rules for the organized campaign that each player needs a book and then I've had D m's and organizers tell me no we can't tell people they have to buy the books. So I foresee that the next version of the organized play campaign or whenever the new version Will require each player to own their own copy of the player's Handbook and whatever other sources they want to use. Which is funny because the Pathfinder society rules also require you to own a copy of whatever rules supplement you want to use for your character. Although I think a printout of archive of nethias works for the A core information.
This is a monstrously stupid plan by WotC. It’s more unsettling when you realize it only could even work at all by essentially getting out of the print business to drive folks digital.
RIP dnd brand…again…
do these guys know they could just make a mmorpg. they didnt need to ruin dnd to do it…..
I don't pay for D&D Beyond right now anyway. I don't need it. It's a glorified character creator — something I do about once every six months. Looking up rules? I rarely do this outside the table. I went 20+ years of D&D without any digital stuff, so I hardly need it. Word, Excel, Paint, etc. work fine for creating modules and campaigns.
I've said this before, but if WotC wants to monetize D&D, I don't see a way of doing that outside of a VTT. Some online rules and character creator isn't worth $30, let alone $3,600 over ten years. Sorry, I don't spend four hours a day in D&D Beyond, to make it worth more than a Netflix, Amazon, or other subscription.
WOTC have lost their freakin' minds. Who is going to pay $30/mo for a frackin' RPG? The whole point of D&D is a $30 book buys endless fun for DECADES.
Way to miss the mark WotC! This is the perfect way to make me go play something else, lol.
Pathfinder, here we go! (Again!!l
Off topic: I love that shirt.
Yet another reason to leave WotC
I called AI DMs as soon as I saw the preview for One DnD. It was so obvious they were going in that direction
Yeah you are never gonna kill homebrew if they couldn’t stop the bleeding then it’s not gonna now
I played AD&D 1E and 2E in the 1980-90s, plus MTG as well. I knew back then that WotC was trash. I'm not saying the earlier additions were perfect; there were definitely some improvements made via 3E, 4E, and 5E. But overall, WotC have been poor stewards of D&D as an IP. The only thing they ever got right as the original OGL. Critical Role and various YouTube content creators have done more for the popularity of the hobby than WotC ever will. And then there's D&D Beyond — such a trash site. I don't understand why there's so many suckers who think it's worth feeding them micro-transactions just to host your character digitally and temporary access to digital books that are lost if you close your account. There's so many better, free online tools available and far better RPGs available. Either way, it's great to see the WotC and D&D Beyond finally get knocked down a peg, but many players in this community are sheep and will come crawling back eventually, if for no other reason than nostalgia. I dare you to be better than that.
Not going to lie… an AI GM actually sounds interesting. If I could play fully solo, I might be interested in this… of course, I am a Pathfinder player and not a D&D one… but it is interesting to me. (The rest of this is all crap.)
LMAO AI DM! Just play a video game at that point.
You’re not playing D&D without a human DM, you’re playing a video game. The DM is a player too, guiding the game, listening not only to WHAT players are doing and saying, but HOW, catching the subtleties, “reading the room”, catering the experience, making sure players are happy and comfortable, laughing and cheering along with the players. If this comes to pass, this will just be a D&D branded MMORPG. D&D is about fun and camaraderie with people, not AI.
They don't realize one of the reasons D&D has so many players is the low barrier to entry
new news
AI DMs just like Tesla having self driving cars perpetually 'next year'
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looool my group is learning Pathfinder 2E, and so far it seems BETTER! Glad they made us look into it.
Wait… I thought said they wanted to be inclusive and welcoming to all?
Why is blizzard being stupid and constantly poking us who are the sleeping lion? Did someone with a low iq get into the power position at hasbro or something?
WotC executing their disastrous corporate strategy with all the subtlety of an overweight Tarrasque
I’m so sick of the video game industry, I ran to old classic rpgs and boomer shooters, and love the occasional 5e game. The idea that they think an ai-dm could do better than a video game, but also charge me $30/month for it? These people are high.
"AI-DMs" They would have to be totally insane. AI isn't anywhere close enough to effectively DM a game. It can barely put together anything fantastical and speaks only in logic. They know this and yet want to put a stripped down version of the game out, the game where you can literally do ANYTHING, go completely off the rails, kill important NPCs, ruin the DMs plans even just for a laugh and they think they can get new fans in with this? A game where the system would be even more constrained than even the basic D&D games that came out 15 years ago? No one would even think 20 dollars a month is fine for that. I refuse to pay for a HUMAN to DM, why the hell would I pay for an AI to do it?
Unless the AI is on the level of Cortana, it can't take the place of a DM.
Well, not only pay but also possibly give WOTC free content. At no point is there mentioned that the homebrew you put into your games wouldn't be put into their content at a future date…
This can't be real 👀
This is so silly, but also sad. D&D is a great tool for people to get out, socialize, and make meaningful connections. I'm not signing up for a downgrade.