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good morning welcome to Garden America you were looking at a beautiful bouquet of roses John says it’s just two stems we’ll talk about that but anyway welcome to the show take to Garden America back in studio back live I’m Brian M tiger palifox John beg Nasco broadcasting live from San Diego California iHeart media and entertainment Studio Studios that’s a plural the world domination headquarters iHeart media there’s only one Studio nowadays yeah and that’s the studio here right so John we’ve taken two we’re back live we’ve got the audio the video working tell us about these beautiful roses that we kicked off the show with all right it’s a rose variety called terracotta terracotta and you know I got to be honest there’s two roses called terracotta one is all one word and one is two words and I don’t know which one this is wow they don’t they don’t make it difficult at all with the rose name so you say there there’s two different roses named terracotta but one with the space in it but they they look the same now wait a second make it even more confused don’t you think that’s silly why would you have the same name but spell it differently oh there’s there’s probably I would say there’s some roses that or Rose names that have as many as six or seven different roses with the exact same name yeah it’s especially popular in Europe to use the name over and over again and the reason there was they never used patents they used trademarks and if you own a trademark nobody can use that name so when you stop growing a rose that’s 10 15 years old and you come up with another one and you you’re not creative just use the same name over again well that doesn’t really answer my question it’s it’s still silly I don’t even remember what your question was that I thought it was silly that there’s two Terra cotas one that’s a continuous name and one with a space and then you to explain how it’s done in Europe but you got to think like Ro roses are marketed worldwide so so meaning you know what we have going on here in the United States in terms of Rose marketing and varietal and things like that could be different in other parts of the world and probably not I mean you know John has seen this just ridiculous amount of growth in terms of Growers sharing information you know back before the internet yeah somebody was growing varieties in Europe they would have no clue what was actually happening in the United States at the same time because it take so many years to develop and create and kind of go and then you bring it to Market except by Word of Mouth which would take a while to probably catch up right or now it’s instantaneous you can find out immediately exactly and like John’s saying they worked off of patents and not trademarks so when they would go to patent it oh yeah whatever there’s nothing named this there’s you you can have it you know but meanwhile well nowadays you go online you can find exactly I mean look at the the help me find roses you can find you know all the names of all the roses out there virtually all yeah you know a a good example of what you’re talking about is look at Japan uh seeso Suzuki was Japan’s most famous Rose breeder and if you look at the names of some of his roses amatu otome or uh uh let’s see what’s another good one Seiko uh anyway lots of uh Sakura Gumi those are not catchy names in the US no no but uh back when they had the All-American Rose selections he submitted some roses so he ended up winning two Awards and one of the Roses in the US was called French perfume and another one was called Mado which is uh still a Japanese name but at least uh at least you can understand understand it yeah for sure was the French perfume is that the name he gave the rose in Japanese no no no he gave it an English name to try to win that’s funny so I okay it’s understand it’s more understandable now yeah why that could happen or terra cotta there’s the two roses that are T called terra cotta one was bred in New Zealand and the other was from France and is just a sport of leonus and leonus is uh sometimes Martha Stewart I think used to call it the chocolate rose because leonus is a famous brand of Belgian chocolate and uh that Rose is this color but an orange background yeah yeah more orangey yeah yeah the reverse pedal is orange and again we should reiterate two stems that that’s this particular one this one right just two stems actually one was the stem was so heavy it was laying on the ground so I just went to prune it up cut it off and I thought you know I’ll just cut another one and bring it in now is this Terra cot um susceptible to that you know how roses get disease no no no you know how like um they talk about like black bakura if you grow it in the sun it’s really not black or in you know but if you grow it kind of more shaded it really shows its color so will this show different colors depending on sun shade you know will it be more terracotta looking because right now it’s more red red brick you know which I I understand it’s ter but but terra cotta is more orangey when you kind of you know Vision it well first of all roses look different in the sunlight than they do in absolutely right you know I I I have a lot of seedlings that are blooming now and I hate to to bring them in the house to show Shannon so I always got to get her to come outside CU When you bring them in the house they’re not impressive but outside like Manhattan blue uh seedlings that I had one is blooming and Outdoors it’s got some blue in it the different Hues that would show up outside that you don’t see in the house yeah yeah got it so anyway this this one is um but I mean if you grew this in the shade would the coloration of the flower be different I don’t think so you know I you know you mentioned black Bara that’s darker in the sun oh darker I had it revers yeah and the reason it’s darker in the sun is is because the petals begin to burn the if you think of um colors absorbing heat M black absorbs the most heat right sure so if you’ve got black bakara in the sun it’s going to absorb heat to the point where if it’s hot outside the pedals are actually going to burn okay which is why they never marketed Black Roses because they just burn up so if you did put it in partial shade it might look better but it’s not going to burn yeah yeah yeah okay you know what was funny just a few moments ago before John stepped in to clarify some things you and I were talking about roses and the history of roses in Europe and I’m watching John’s expression like these guys don’t know what they’re talking about they’re going back and forth thinking they know everything about roses I’m just I’m just shock would never think that he’s just now figuring that out I think John puts up with us hey speaking of John he’s got the quote of the week this is the most exciting part of the program ladies and gentlemen boys and girls a lot of people tune in just for these quotes So John why don’t we do it and it’s from one of your favorite people Ladybird Johnson ladybird yeah she said the environment is where we all meet where we all have a mutual interest it’s the one thing that all of us share she was a very eloquent very nice lady from what I understand she was um uh lyndon’s wife she was but in the in the gardening world she was famous for promoting wild flowers there’s got to be a rose named after two roses named after one rose called ladybird mhm and the other one called Ladybird Johnson and there we go with the the rose with the same name but we’ll tweak it just a bit okay with that in mind we’re going to take a break for our friends our good friends on bis talk radio want to welcome you to the show it is yes time for our first break uh second segment is on the other side so again in reminder that Garden America this show every show brought To Us by fertilome and now these messages more from garden America here on bis talk radio stay with us e Garden America is back from the break I want to thank you thank those of you who are tuned in on bis talk radio thanks to Stephanie her crew for keeping us on the air every week and again thank you to ferum major sponsor of garden America we didn’t mention this during the first segment boys and girls but we do not have a guest today it’s going to be just the three of us and more of you our viewers on Facebook live questions comments whatever is on your mind as we uh cruise through the month of May heading into summer before you know it June is right around the corner so whatever you want to talk about weatherwise where you’re living different zones so on and so forth let us know and we’ll do our best to uh as we used to say John when it was the garden compass point you in the right direction you know what I wonder if you were uh confused with the there was a did you know in the newsletter about the Amazon rainforest that’s where we get like 25% of our what was the percentage of our uh oxygen right yes that wasn’t going to be my point no no but I want to make sure that that I’m on the same same article P that’s where we that’s where our packages come from right ones that every day it’s pretty good tiger the um the picture kind of looked like a redwood it was a picture from the bottom up you know is that what you were thinking I got that confused with an with Dana and I had a conversation we were watching something about the Redwoods and there was a still picture of a car driving through a redwood tree and for some reason your newsletter in my brain put the two together there you go okay okay and the article was about the about growing vegetables in containers but there was no cars driving through redwoods in your article no that’s what you’re trying to tell us and if some of our listeners don’t know what we’re talking about you you can easily join the conversation ahead of time by signing up for our newsletter absolutely and you too can be confused when you sign up for the newsletter thinking you saw 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was thinking in my mind you know for 5% why should I correct but but there were so many things swirling in my mind in these facts and figures and trying to figure out what it was I was even trying to talk about but nevertheless for reading Lenor it’s great newsletter that was my point I should just say it was a good newsletter and not try to impress anybody with what I think I read yeah hey so speaking of trying to impress somebody yes you guys mentioned ladybird and the first thing that came to my mind was a poppy uh pop of her poppy that has a name ladybird okay and I’m like ladybugs are also called ladybird Beatles right so I was like I wonder if that Poppy is named after her you know like you say like she was a big promoter of wild wild flowers Street side Improvement you know all that kind of stuff not a reference to Lady Bird Johnson former first lady famous for promoting roadside beautification the ladybird instead is British for ladybug oh so the ladyb bird poppy is not named after so they have ladyb birds in their Gardens not ladybugs yeah do you know there’s a rose called ladybug no but that’s interesting now see I just learned something that I never would have put two and two together they say they’re ladyb birds and not ladybugs yeah which is because they’re not even that big why would they call them a bird it’s a softer way of talking about something that well they’re not pests necessarily aren aren’t they for the most part good ladybugs yeah right or ladyb Birds I should say oh yeah ladybugs are great they eat aphids and other insects body you can buy actually you can buy them right and put them in in some nurseries and put them in your garden what about um de snails still know still know I knew that was coming I’ve been looking I’ve been looking because I need some I’ve got snails all over my front yard I have to say hello to Joe Nelson Joe Nelson is is tuned in Joe Nelson would be gosh Joe how can I describe you he has he has his pulse on the local media he knows what we’re all doing and he used to write articles maybe he still does he’s a great guy even after you got the restraining order absolutely well that’s that’s what called his attention to our show oh so he says Hi everyone love your show always informative so apparently he’s been been watching and listening before so hello to you Joe Nelson yeah who has his pulse on the local media you know what I did Wednesday pling some roses it didn’t involve roses I made a trip to the Huntington oh by the way if anyone out there is listening the the um and for those who are out of state that may not know what the Huntington is the Huntington Gardens and Library is in San Marino California and the gardens are Indescribable they’re so beautiful but the Rose Garden especially this time of year is fantastic but I um the reason I thought of this was because Tony from Connecticut found a rose in her garden that uh publication said this Rose is extinct I remember this story yeah and the rose was called lemon chiffon and we were able to get some started and now for the first time uh Diane Wy I guess we shouldn’t mentioned people’s last names but anyway Diane in Nampa Idaho uh donated three of those Roses to the Huntington so we have her first and her last name and where she lives and her phone number is the um so anyway I I had them mded up and I grew them on to where there were one gallon cans and I brought them up to the Huntington and they’ll grow them a little bit bigger and then they’ll be in a public garden for the first time in in who knows how many years wow 40 50 years check the comments here so so that that Rose lemon chiffon is about maybe like you you saying 450 years in a public garden so that’s probably about the time of the Huntington right and in terms of when the Huntington was becoming the the place that it is today because the story of the Huntington is the family railroads up in that area they established that property so it was a private residence 50 years ago yeah it was a private Residence at that time yeah so that lemon chiffon was probably a popular Rose at that time or was it before the careful I got in trouble when I talked about the newsletter well no because because that would be fun to kind of have oh mean if it used to be grown in that time yeah that’s what I’m saying that would be really neat to have plants from that era of when it became the Huntington they don’t do that but who who does do that is San Simeon yeah they do yeah they only plant our friend Burling Leong from Burlington roses who’s been on our show before uh was contracted to grow the roses that only existed during the time when Hurst owned lived there lived have you been have you been to H Castle yeah oh um just the the history and just uh yeah the grounds itself years ago there was a zoo there there’s old 8 millimeter 60 mm footage of people driving up there he he hung out with all the movie stars they aren The Animals still there don’t some of them they let just kind of to their own devices out there cuz last time I was there there were zeas running around yeah when were you there last K I was just there 30 years ago yeah I don’t yeah just 30 years ago we have to take a break I don’t I don’t think most of those animals are still there St owns it I don’t mean those that were living at the time but didn’t babies or something we’ve got to stay on time for bis talk radio so we’re going to take a break Brian M John basar T palifox Garden America back after these messages on bis talk radio well thank you for sitting through that break those on bis talk radio listening to the radio those on Facebook live watching us live on Facebook uh by the way this show will be uploaded later on this afternoon on our YouTube channel Garden America radio show if you missed any part of the show you want to watch it again you want to see it again you want to pause rewind fast forward you can do that again early or I should say later on this afternoon early afternoon on our YouTube channel but we do encourage you to go to our website Garden america.com it’s fun always exciting tiger yes it is and you know it’s funny you mention Hurst Castle because I worked for the state I was a state lifeguard for many many years and Hurst Castle is a California state park now right so that’s why they don’t have animals is because they don’t need they don’t need lifeguards though unless it’s for the swiming cool we used to we so I worked at Oceano Dunes which was the state park just south of like Pismo Beach well okay we would we were the only lifeguards for pretty much the Central Coast from Oceano all the way up to Hurst so how many miles is that I mean way too many we we we never lifeguarded the north part we only if there’s a problem we’ll be there in a half hour exactly what the GU D when they would have special private events that would require the use of the swimming pool they would have to have a lifeguard really so they would call us up for special events for the swimming pool and um you know you you know just talk about an interesting thing and and then I mean I know I I we were talking about this earlier I love history but like you know William you know Hearst and all he did but like you’re saying the opulence of that house and this all of that and how kind of he did it all for show cuz he was not that guy and he wanted to share it with his friends and that’s why all this Hollywood buddies would come up there spend the weekend play tennis not Erol Flynn one time was enough yeah that’s another story but but it’s a really neat property and it is neat that they have focused on the landscape being era specific you know what I mean because it is neat when places do that to kind of create that same look that it had when it was in its prime getting back to what you were talking about with the Huntington yeah from a historical standpoint the way things were yeah compared to the way they are now did you want to catch up on some uh questions comments John yeah um first of all since we were talking about the Huntington um not to say I told you so but but you will but Carla says I remember seeing the zebras roaming on the grounds John you could see them on the bus trip up to the grounds yeah but but when because you said 30 years ago car when I Carla wasn’t born 30 years ago but I was up there probably 15 years ago and I know they still had some of animal but but they made a point that they are not replacing the animals yeah let’s let’s clarify back in hurst’s day the zoo was much more there were many more animals it was thriving it was they had much more variety so like Neverland right yeah oh Michael Jackson yeah you know what somebody I I read something where he got his inspiration for for those animals bringing all those animals into Neverland from Hurst Castle I think it it might have been I think he took a trip up to Hurst Castle and at at some point I don’t know it’s not too far away but I’m not going to take you to Neverland John that’s what you’re fishing for um adaton says that his crepe myrtle uh hasn’t started New Growth why where’s where’s he at or she I I don’t know where they’re at okay if you let us know where you’re from that would give us a start but it depends on the season um on the on the temperatures assuming the plant’s still alive and you can tell that easily by taking your fingernail right and and uh scraping the bark if it’s green underneath it’s still alive the cambrium layer is that called the cambrium layer cambium cambium layer no r no R I’ve always used the R I know that’s and you can do that on a um new part of the plant too not just a trunk like sometimes you know you try to do it on a trunk it’s tough with your nail right but like if you do it on a new Branch easy or sometimes you can bend the branches if they snap they’re dead they’re dead um but if the weather hasn’t been warm enough um it can be delayed in coming out right yeah CR myrtles love their heat so yeah the hotter the better yeah there’s still zebras at hez Castle property oh somebody said it see what you do you you take a little left turn on the garden show and people chime in this is why we relying our listeners and our viewers much more intelligent than we are uh Tony wants to know where Diane got the lemon chiffon roses did she have them in her garden no those Roses came from you Tony the um the one that we got started uh we started two plants of and then we sold one in the auction and I believe that we sold two in the auction and I believe Diane bought one of them them but uh she asked if I would uh from my plant start some more and donate them to the Huntington so I started those three plants and grew them uh but Diane paid for the budding so all the costs involved were born by her so it all boils down to Tony’s one plant there is see do you remember the rest of that story what you Paul Harvey well yeah because I used to I grew up in Detroit right right and uh I worked for Frank’s Nursery and when we found out that Tony had this plant of lemon chiffon I wanted to make sure that it was correct because you know you’ve got a book that says this Rose is extinct but you have someone who says I have one and so emailing back and forth I said are you sure that’s lemon chiffon she said it still has the tag she sent me a picture of the tag and the tag said Frank’s Nursery oh really which is where I used to work so Circa what year now I mean how old would this be well speaking of History tiger yeah yeah I was working at Franks in the in the 70s okay so I would imagine the I’d have to check and help me find but I imagine the rose came out in the 60s yeah it’s kind of a bold statement to say this Rose is extinct no longer exists when when because you haven’t seen it in a while I mean it’s kind of a blanket statement you know it’s like the golden toad of New Zealand right no Costa Rica Costa Rica yeah exactly yeah why did I say New Zealand but um because you like New Zealand and want to go back no the reason I was saying New Zealand is because I had a New Zealand rose that was growing under my uh window and I moved it near the Terracotta that I was just looking at one word terracotta I don’t know if that’s one word or two word terracotta but the Terracotta Rose and the New Zealand the Terracotta Rose could be from New Zealand and my New Zealand Rose is named after New Zealand and you see why I got the Redwood newsletter confused yeah I I it all circles back John your article on the Redwoods well you know you know what your um your comment right now on the lemon chiffon Rose John just made me think of something by the way the lemon chiffon is a perfect hybrid tea yellow and and fragrant it’s why why would that Rose even go out of being grown was spectacular sorry to interrupt nobody you know why I interrupt you by the way just quickly is because I know you will not lose your train of thought I was going to say the same thing I I was going to say it doesn’t matter because he’ll know exactly what he start was gonna say right what he started to say but but I was just I was sympathizing I was just going to sympathize with all the Rose people out there because back in that 60s 7s 80s 99s they sold roses with these wonderful metal tags that were on each Rose like dog tags and it would last forever there was only one company in the country that made those tags too oh really yeah oh wow that’s shocking to me only one company made those tags but but they made it and they made it a metal tag and the words were what would you call that beveled they were they were impressioned on the tag like if you were going to make a dog tag or or something like that yeah it was like a dog tag like punched out yeah they were like so even if it faded still there you still knew what it was you can still make out and they made them out of a metal that really didn’t I don’t stainless steel I don’t know what it was but like they didn’t really I can picture it Galvanize they it didn’t break down and so you know that Rose could be 5050 years old and you’d go up to it look at the bottom and there’d be a little metal tag and you say oh this is a hot cocoa this is a terracotta one word you know whatever it is nowadays they don’t do metal tags they just barely do plastic tags they all fade you know there’s no real great identifiers and so going forward it’s going to be really hard to know what some roses are because there would just be nothing identifying did you see what what Joseph wrote he says hi Dana love what you guys are doing with the podcast some of my rose cuting are not starting in some some are starting in some aren’t what am I doing wrong so this was directed to Dana well Dana give him your response well Dana says Joe they’re the experts to ask New Zealand by the way uh would be a great Garden America trip according to Dana it would be a very expensive trip yes it would but I would really really like to go there Tiger’s working on our new trip right exactly yeah he he is we’re going to Pangia where we going Pangia Patagonia Patagonia I think Pangia was what they called the world world when it was all together when it was all together okay uh let’s catch up we’ve got a few well we had um can we can we answer Joe’s question though well we have a couple people asking about you know stting we’re got to take a break I’m glad I checked the clock stay with us you have to remind me I will we’re going to take a break for bis talk radio on the other side we’ll come back and answer your questions here on Garden America okay we are back as people watch me push buttons and look like I’m conf I’m confused on the on the video there running the computer running the board tiger running all the video and the audio so this is our final segment for those on bis talk radio as far as hour number one is concerned we come back after the top of the hour news at 6 minutes after John back to the questions and comments yeah we’ve got uh several questions about rooting roses um I think it was uh Joey mentioned that he was rooting roses in water that is virtually impossible to do I mean you it I I shouldn’t say impossible but it’s unlikely that you’re going to be successful rooting them in water um they usually they’re not going to form roots and if they do transferring them from water to soil will usually kill them so he wants to know is it important that they have Roots before I put them in soil well yeah because uh you’re almost guaranteed that they’re going to die if you do that but the way that you root roses from cuting uh first of all I’d recommend going to YouTube and just put roses from cuting and you can get some ideas on how to do it but it’s important to root them in a St barel mix pearlite would be ideal but the way to do it would be to get a 1gallon Ziploc bag fill the bottom third with perite uh moist perite and then dip your roses in a rooting hormone and then just stick them in there and seal the top and see see how long it takes for them to root I’ve seen you some will some won’t I’ve seen you do that yeah so if we’re getting you know results about how you know sometimes they do sometimes they don’t that’s the way it is that’s the reason yeah uh Jackson and Perkins uses the metal tags tiger they still do that comes from if have to buy those Martin really because that’s wonderful right to be able to kind of have that name on the plant it’s kind of an almost forever tag yeah really is I mean you know look at that John was talking about that refound Rose and it still has a tag on it and still know the name of it I mean when when did Tony identify that Rose oh it wasn’t a metal tag it was um it was just AAS actually a plastic was it tag yeah but still it might have had a metal tag too but the the um Frank’s Nursery part of it was on a printed tag what about tiger what about your little tag Gadget that you started to play with yeah no I like use it yeah the little printer the tag printer and you made a tag for me Green Planet yeah and as John said of all the Roses I have that’s probably not a tag I would need because it’s so obvious what it is by the way your cuttings took off didn’t they from that you took from my green planet right about a year ago yeah we had it in the auction beautiful sold it for less than what you paid for yours though well that happens right it’s it’s almost you know roses in auctions are like the economy like the stock market yeah you never know that’s right uh princess Chichi bu we’ve sold twice for under $50 say that again princess Chichi buo I just like when you say it come here my little princess chichi boo that would be my little Chichi boo made little Chichi Bo the um I I lost my train of Princess chii Buu oh yeah so we sold it twice and this time it went for over $300 yeah supply and demand what what do people want you know what’s what what what what is hard to find that they can only get at the auction yeah it’s usually what do two people want that’s what drives the price they both want the same thing uh Carla says that flower patch Farms has a great video on Rose cuting so um she refers to it often so there you go Joey um oh back to the metal tags on roses there was a rose that I collected at disano Gardens which I’m virtually sure is extinct and if anyone knows otherwise please let me know but it was a rose called Susan ball and there was one at the Huntington that was about 6 in tall and I cut it in half took three Ines home rooted it and then went somewhere for a few days and came back and somebody had knocked the pot over it dried out and it died so the next time I went to dis sconzo Gardens um I don’t know if I said that’s where I was wait you said someone knocked it over yeah I think maybe the gardener or something oh okay this was years ago so I made it a point that I I haven’t seen this Rose anywhere else there’s no picture of it on help me find um I know it’s got to be really rare when we go I go up there I’ve got to find it and convince Descanso to dig it up to save it so I go up there and um if you’ve ever searched for roses Gardens that you’re not familiar with I I thought I remembered where it was but there was nothing in that area where do you start yeah so there was a person there who worked at disano that had the plot plan of where every rose was oh wow so they brought it out and they said okay here’s where it where it is we walk over there’s nothing there then we start digging in the ground a little bit moving leaves and things around and there’s a metal tag that says Susan ball the rose is gone oh nothing was left but the tag but the tag T and now that I think of it I wish I would have saved that tag you know it would be like a uh a memory of what once was yeah right finding an old coin yeah an old Roman [Laughter] coin I wanted to ask you tiger because in the newsletter I wrote an article about growing some vegetables and containers and some things are easy but do you guys find that there’s a renewed interest because it seems like there’s more varieties of vegetables suited to container growing than there used to be you know used to be people were planting Acres with tractors and things like that but now if you got a little home you still want to grow something rightly and you still can too I I think that a lot of people’s minds if they don’t have the space well I can’t grow Edibles or I can’t grow this requires a lot of space I don’t have the land so maybe people are really realizing that there are some you can I mean even that veggie pot that I had that that that you that I gave you tiger that you took not necessarily a pot but certainly not a huge area and you could grow different varieties within the same uh soil yeah and and it’s funny you know because it’s it’s two extremes on people you know number one people like you say maybe think they can’t they don’t have the room they don’t have the space to do it so they they just don’t even try but then there’s the people that don’t don’t realize the space that’s required you know when we talk about you know growing a tomato and we tell people okay well you’ve got to in order to grow a tomato you it has to be at least the size of a you know 15 gallon can you know a half whiskey barrel size pot would be best and people go wow you know because they’re trying to grow it in some little five gallon container thinking they’re going to get tomatoes off of it but um you know to what John was saying but that’s where the Growers the developers the Breeders breeders have been like hey let’s make a tomato that can be grown in a 5 gon pot we’re going to take we’re going to take a break all right if you want to continue this on the other side remember what we’re talking about news coming up top of the hour right now here on bis talk radio we’re coming back at 6 minutes after for those on Facebook live back even quicker this is Garden America thank you for joining us Garden America is back if you are tuned in right now on bis talk radio this is the start the beginning of our number two Uno do ich John and I on the same same plan so often so tiger before the before the news top of the hour we talking about growing vegetables and the land and so on and so forth yeah and I was just making a comment that breeders have now produced a lot of varieties of veggies that can grow in small containers to grow in small spaces because people don’t have the yard theace to be able to grow it but they still want to so you know I mentioned Tomatoes that’s a very common plant there’s a lot of very compact Growers um you know John what was the name of that whole like dwarf tomato thing where people started sending in seeds and and oh on the internet from all over the world the dwarf tomato project yeah where they were like let’s make some really cool dwarf Tomatoes um or the little tomatoes to be politically correct the little project egg eggplants is another one you know eggplants can get to be very large bushes and they produce a large fruit so they were finding people like oh they never grew them because they didn’t have the space they didn’t have the ability to do it but now they have compact varieties Peppers other plants that right you know compact varieties um you know and then you can get into the things like um you know just the different varieties of of herbs and carrots and you know all these other plants that are more designed for containers more designed for compact growing so people can so it gives people the option whether they have a yard or whether they have a patio to grow something but even farther than that now is the idea of fruit production so we’re talking blueberries raspberries blackberries you know that are more compact even I mean this is this isn’t really genetics or anything but you know a mulberry tree a mulberry tree grown in an ideal environment could get to be the size of a house right you know they can get to be massive trees but you can grow a weeping mberry tree which is simply the same tree but just grown grafted where the branches are going downwards you can grow a weeping mulberry tree in an area and it can be 6 feet tall by 4 feet wide and you get tons of mulberries off of it and you can keep it Compact and contained and you still have all the benefits of the tree and the fruit that just like as if you had that massive tree it’s actually even better because let’s be real on that massive tree you were never picking those mulberries way up there no those were just left of the bird for sure and somebody sees that a full grown tree like that and their perception is well I I can never do that I I I don’t have the room for that size when they don’t realize that there’s different ways to grow it it doesn’t need to be that Big John is catching up on I’m sorry John is catching up on questions right yeah well Carla mentioned Tiny Tim Tomatoes yeah that would be one there’s one tomato uh what was the one that if you put it in anything bigger than a 6inch pot at dice a 6inch pot really yeah it actually will fruit in a 4in pot wow what is not sure microtom microtom do you remember microtom uhhuh yes I think it’s a GMO plant isn’t it with that if that’s the case there’s got to be a Tom Thumb someplace out there Tom Thumb tomato there is yeah there’s a Tom Thum Rose too yeah shocking see I throw these out and John right away says there’s already a rose named after that a beach Rose there’s a magic Rose I’m just looking at words now one of the cuttings they brought back from the Huntington was called Magic red look at that see yeah anyway um uh John says that I missed a question much earlier and yes I did cuz I didn’t even see it um he said my niece is neighbor told her that uh Iceberg roses aren’t really roses but some sort of Offspring from a German plant do I know what she’s talking about um she doesn’t know what she’s talking about iceberg roses are roses right in the TR the only thing I’m trying to think what could she be referring to um Cordes who is a German Rose breeder was the one who produced The Rose and in Germany it’s called shne shne viton makes so what do you know what that translates to um shne is snow okay which maybe it’s uh maybe it’s Iceberg maybe it’s iceberg in in German um it’s also we usually call it a florabunda but I think it has some hybrid musk in the background but hybrid musks are roses so it’s I can’t I can see what I have heard heard people talk about how icebergs are not roses because they’re not like you’re saying the true sense of a hybrid tea you cut it back you know all this stuff you you know you got you let them just kind of they’re they’re more like a bush right it doesn’t have the hybrid T shape maybe you know so so I think people get confused because they go oh it’s not really a rose it’s just a bush that looks like a rose but no it’s a rose it’s you know it’s just got a lot you know what we haven’t talked about I might have been a little bit too harsh on your neighbor yeah he was kidding John was kidding yeah but I was kidding but I I’ve done this myself where I’ve said that um uh what’s the rose they just grew everywhere back East knockout um I I would tell people you know Knockouts not really a rose it’s just a flowering shrub yeah but you know kind of tug and cheek cuz you don’t grow it like you would grow a rose bush you grow it the exact way you’d grow flowering shrubs right in same purpose it’s a more a landscape so then John tell us about the impostor Rose what does that have to do with anything because okay he doesn’t put two and two together no no I’m wondering what where your mind is going what are you thinking because we used that was a a topic of conversation for a long time for many months here on Garden America many months SE several well it for many months we talked about it several years ago so you’re talking about roses that aren’t really roses or it is a rose or whatever the case may be but for those people catching up with us now that weren’t around a few years ago what about the impostor Rose and why do they call it the impostor Rose oh I see where you’re going but I I don’t think that it it’s a accurate tangent and not an accurate tangent right I see and the reason is the you’re talking about where the name came from where the name came I want some background we had people that weren’t with us several years ago even last educate us do you so educate still sell the impostor by the way I do not I need that Rose I’m sure you probably now all a sudden he needs the rose after putting me down what are you talk he have one I didn’t down I can’t believe he doesn’t have one I when I I had one in my old house when I moved I didn’t bring it with me because I thought I could easily get I wish we had a picture of it right now we could put up there yeah the the rose looks like a Claus and and um I remember talking to Star roses and asked them it was in their test fields and I said you need to introduce this it’s a great Rose and they said yeah we think we’re gonna call it the Claus Rose I go because it looks like a Claus right they go yeah and I said well why don’t you be a little more creative and call it the impostor and then you can use the marketing technique of is it a rose pretending to be a clementis or a Claus pretending to be a rose so they like that idea and that’s where the name the impostor came from money did you get from that nothing see why do you do that you just throw you know you as a marketer a former marketer you know better than that but that did leave to a good relationship with them and later on they paid me to name roses okay 10 cents uh for every rose they sold I got it sounds like that’s like a royalty check yeah that’s what it was it was a Roy as long as it came full circle because that was that was dare I say that was brilliant on your part well over the years probably probably gotten close to $10,000 just from the Roses I’ve named okay that works did you find a picture of it tiger I did I post a link it on to our Facebook chat so if you’re interested in the Imposter Rose there it is there’s a lot of chatter going on in our comment section um Tony wrote I grow nice tomatoes in my earth box because in my small yard sometimes they are more productive than others Earth boxes used to be really popular Community yeah are they still not for me they were back East more popular than they were out here in California there was a lot of benefits to an earth box in other areas besides Southern California right you know what I mean like you know I get why it was popular but I get why it was not in Southern California because we don’t require the same care that some other places needed I mean the whole idea of covering it having the plant start in it have that self-watering aspect of it with our weather you don’t need it you don’t need that right yeah yeah so no it’s a good prod product but um yeah I’m growing peppers I’m growing all kinds of peppers and one tomato just a few herbs and containers and all doing great um Carlo loved your African violet picture and the lace doll doily under it brought back memories mom and I used to collect them good memories we got to take a break all right whatever thought you I do have a couple comments on the I want to hit on the okay we’re going to hit comments too we need to take a break for bis talk radio and thank you to fer alom for bringing you Garden America each and every week I’m Brian M John beg Nasco tiger palifox back after these messages on bis talk radio have a picture on the impostor on your link l yeah you want to say that keep scrolling down keep oh by the way we are back we you joined us in mid conversation that’s okay I was I was watching John’s looking for a picture you know sometimes people like got a pre I stand for Tiger’s picture of the impostor and it was I had to scroll down to the bottom of the page we everything was clean you know there was supposed to be a series of roses what was impostor series like they going to have different colors no no the SEC there was another rose that followed that that we called the charlatan uhoh and the re for that one was it could be either a bush or a climber oh so it was like how about the word Pretender that kind of goes goes along with well the third one was supposed to be the flimflam man and then that never never never came materialized no but wasn’t that a great idea for a series but we are back uh from the break uh you can join us for our in studio conversations anytime you’d like as uh we’re discussing roses the impostor Rose and the history of some of these roses uh our friend Sue said tiger I have a Dalia blooming early Allied Gardens um early with a question mark early with a question mark yes very early because my delas haven’t even sprouted haven’t even you know what mine did this a while back also Sue where it like came up it never bloomed but it came out completely out of season and then just went back went back in the ground they looked up and realized what month is this yeah so um no it that is that is very early yes very early that’s interesting I wonder what caused it to come up so early but usually it would be a Heat Wave you know like in January or February we get some 90 degree temperatures but that didn’t happen this year yeah so yeah no very early Sue but take good care of it enjoy it now you could be the Talk of the Town by having Dalia blossoms at any event maybe what you had was a peekaboo Delia peekaboo yeah just hey you hey bye um Rick do they graft roses and is it too late to prune roses now uh Rick they do graft roses it’s not a common practice as much as it used to be most of the breeding now is going toward roses that will grow from cuting own root yeah and and the reason for that is cost y the people who used to graft roses would actually it was one main crew and they would go around the world grafting roses because uh when they were done grafting in the United States they didn’t they were basically of work until the next season but they would go to the Southern Hemisphere and because the seasons were reversed and they would start working down there grafting roses and then you know take little breaks in between then come back up here but and it’s funny to did you ever see them grafting roses tiger uh like in the field yeah yes they have a cart that they roll down the aisles and there’s a guy laying on his stomach and they’re pushing him through and he’s buding you know grafting the Roses as they go along yeah wow yeah it’s it’s yeah like you’re saying it kind of became a a mute point nowadays with the the whole point of that was Disease Control right for the most part yeah I mean disease and also as John mentioned they would use different root stock in different regions to make the rose grow better you know whether it was dry or hot hot or wet or anything like that um Rick did ask though is it too late to prune roses now he’s in Idaho where I would say here yeah I mean you know our Ros don’t tell me that I do it you know what I I do it anyway well no no no but but John brings up a good point okay there’s there’s the way that you’re kind of educated and the way you should do things which is prune your roses in the winter when they’re dormant so they can butt out nice and clean you remove all the disease folage the the are you talking about California yeah yeah you know but you know at the same time I mean you can go out there in July and clean up your roses and yeah it be but in Idaho it it’s not too late yeah that’s what I was going to ask you sorry I went off but in idah I was going to ask you he’s probably still a month away from no no no their roses are are starting to grow actively but the problem you run into an idah is that you go to hot weather quickly oh so it jumps yeah so you can go in in July and have a whole month of 100 degree plus days oh geez so um so if you’ve got new growth coming on and it uh the old growth hasn’t hardened but yeah I would say you if you haven’t pruned you can go ahead and prune yeah you got the go ahead Rick and it and it really kind of depends also a bit on the type of Rose because like we were talking about the um Iceberg earlier and how that’s more of a bush in The Knockout series more of a bush there are those types of roses that they’re called the the class is called shrub yeah there are those Roses that you know I mean hey you can treat them like any other plant and then there’s the roses that you know will you do need to prune them otherwise they’ll the stems will grow too long and the rose will just flop over or you know if you if you prune them too late you’re going to cut off all the blooms or things like that so by the way one rose I did not prune and it it right now has hundreds and hundreds maybe even thousands is not an exaggeration is Kendall Marie oh yeah I I should probably take a picture yeah we’d love to see that it’s breathtaking I mean it’s beyond my wildest dreams um you had some wild dreams some really wild dreams yeah and this is on the hillside right so it just is like Hill rambling it’s not really rambling it’s kind of behaved building up on each on itself but it’s probably about um I would say three to four foot tall by about five to six feet wide and do you think that’ll be its Max or will it continue to go well if I don’t print it back it’ll just I think it’ll continue you know what they say about roses tiger location location location well uh by the way if anyone’s listening and they want to buy Kendall Marie you can go to Heirloom Roses they’re I think they’re the only ones that sell it but um it’s one that just keeps getting better and better and I’m just shocked at how the rose that keeps on giving oh you know it’s each stem that comes out probably has 50 to 70 buds in that stem and this rose bush probably has and time time stems to get yeah like maybe 100 stems with those uh clusters at theend 100 time 70 there you go do the math Brian I think we all know the answer to that um so Gina by the way in Idaho says her roses are all budded now oh okay so she’s got flower butts on the rose which is why Rick is you know know John I know a couple of weeks ago you you uh put my picture of Pope John Paul in the newsletter and then last night I went outside and I didn’t see these blooming necessarily it would have cut and brought him in the house it was at its peak it was the biggest it was the biggest bud and I said to Dana it’s peaked I’m not going to cut it it’s too late but enjoy it it’s just huge just and almost perfect you know because of the mild weather I’ve got some of the largest blooms I’ve ever seen on roses it’s just it’s amazing we’re still and we’re still having the mild weather we haven’t even started yet exactly we we still have a little ways to go it’s kind of in insane we’ll move from May gry into June Gloom pretty soon yeah exactly and then Fourth of July it’ll be 150 de and everything will justy well you got to get ready that’s yeah you know what think water um prep so Kendall Marie compared to Peggy Martin does it Bloom similarly like you’re saying like except pgy Martin along the stems right where Kendall Marie’s in terminal clusters but just as many flowers great my next video will be a Peggy Martin video awesome be on the lookout for Tiger’s latest videos it is break time we have two more segments so the next one’s a longer segment do stay with us keep those questions comments coming on Facebook live Garden America Brian M John beg NASCAR tiger palifox back after these messages from our friends and they are good friends too on bis talk radio ah yes it is so good to return we we hope you had a good break we idea of doing a daily gardening show you know he brings this up okay let let me if I wasn’t working nobody comment on that if I wasn’t working full-time here during the week working nationally for iHeart not just locally we had nothing else to do no no just kidding that’s a lot of work you know what John that’s cont a lot of work and a lot of content every day I didn’t just think about this because I think I 25 years ago oh I know you brought up the idea of course of course you did and that’s a lot of it’s a lot of work and a lot of content we could easily covered the news right what what news Gard newsing news news news any news so news in general comes up yeah you getting this energy from we could be on the History Channel we talk a lot about history energy the the History Channel is no more it’s history is it really no it’s well it’s around yeah Kevin in cordelan Idaho who is one of our fellow travelers to Costa Rica yes said that he’s waiting for the p and Roses de Bloom they’ve just leafed out so they’re a little bit later than Southern Idaho friends of mine by the way are driving through Idaho they left today they’re driving to Calgary Calgary Al Alberta yeah yeah of course I told him to watch out for the Stampede which is in the summertime is it in the summer yeah when I was playing hockey at in in at na my Canadian friends said you got to come up for the Stampede every summer it’s wild you got to come up for the stamped I never did yeah isn’t that the name of their hockey team the Calgary Stampeders no that’s their football team oh the football team’s Calgary stamp the hockey team are the Flames the Calgary flam that’s right because they moved from Atlanta years ago so the Atlanta Flames would make sense right the burning of Atlanta and they moved to Calgary and kept the name and it doesn’t make sense JZ they moov from New Orleans yeah yeah they kept is Lakers here’s another one for you so the the Phoenix Coyotes have moved they moved to Utah and they’re having a contest named the team because they don’t want to be because they plan on keep they plan on returning to Arizona in about four or five years when the owner gets his act together so he retained the rights of the name coyotes so but the Phoenix team has now moved to Utah and they have to come up with a name and there’s a lot of silly names out there see that could be a show we have speaking of naming contests yes we have a naming contest coming up for one of John’s roses well that’s right and you know what Kevin talked about that the U the Costa Rican name he hasn’t released a photo yet so we got to we got to see this he wanted to do to the the uh Pita that was Dana Dana’s suggestion last week yeah yeah and I said to her stop upstaging me I said I said if John if John ends up naming that and all after all the years of me trying to give him names I’m not naming it it’s Heirloom Roses is going to have the contest but they would have to know the background of that name wouldn’t they otherwise they’re going to say do do an alias name entrance I don’t know how they’re going to do it Brian uh we’re going to have Robin Jennings on the show in a couple weeks right the robin Jennings the wow yeah we’re playing with the big timers now aren’t we exactly um the hold up so far has been Chang she needs pictures she needs a picture of the we need to see the rose John to figure out a name for the rose you can’t just magically create here’s what I don’t understand tiger they’re growing the rose can’t you just go out and take a picture of it do they have actual like blooming plants right now I don’t know but I would hope so okay what’s the point of having a contest promoting a rose if you don’t have anything to sell right but are they blooming where they’re at where is roses there in St Paul Oregon so they might not have anything blooming right now south of uh south of Portland just because Southern California blooms you around doesn’t mean other plac that’s possible I sent them the pictures that I had I had three pictures I had the a picture of it in a vase uh which I had entered into the San Diego Rose show and W best seedling about three years ago mhm and then I’ve got uh one of a a plant in my garden and then a closeup so but you know I don’t know that they’re the best pictures I wasn’t thinking at the time I took those pictures that that this was going to be used to right have a name contest yeah I see your I see your point I see your point um Tanya has a two questions for you or two question marks for you yeah I saw that stampede stampede yeah what is it well the the Calgary Stampeders is the football team no but yeah she wants to know what the Calgary stamp you know I think it’s like a rodeo party like a Woodstock music and just a huge celebration but but I think a rodo right John yeah so it’s not an actual Stampede it’s not like the running of the bulls no it’s not okay they don’t have like horses running through the streets of cow you’re not going to get knocked over necessarily it’s like a festival and you go up there and there’s and there’s a rodeo and there’s concert a huge Fiesta yeah like a huge Fiesta got it okay I have a day called Fiesta but there’s also like you’re wondering yes there is a rose called Fiesta but you know it’s I I am looking for a hibiscus called Fiesta right now it’s not a very unique hibiscus it’s a very common one but I have a customer that wants that one specifically and I have not found it does he know what it looks like yeah oh otherwise I’d say just give him one and say this is what it is but but the problem is is this is like a box store hibiscus that I should be able I think Monrovia came up with it right or they used to grow it yeah I mean it’s a very common one this isn’t very unique or anything oh it’s pretty it’s one of my favorite ones yeah but I can’t find it like nobody’s growing it and and the problem with that sometimes is like what you said a company will grow it for box stores but that just means nobody else will grow it right so it’s actually really hard to find when that company is not producing it you know what oh I guess I you guys don’t buy anything from maltman’s right because they probably do mainly yeah box stores no but they would they would be someone that would probably have it right well I don’t know but what I was going to mention is that um our Rose buddy ping Lim is also breeding hibiscus o and his series of hibiscus would be um something people would want to get hold of but can you give me a couple that look like Viesta and I can just sell to this know toss it to him here you go have fun he knows what it looks like isn’t that the funny thing like have you ever John have you ever boughten purchased a rose okay plant and grown it and then later on looked at and be like that’s not what I purchased that’s not yeah that’s that’s not what I wanted or they me like I was the wrong they told me it was this name and I come to find out that’s not what it is well no but I’m saying or it’s just not what I expected for the area um no like for instance like let’s say you’re you’re in the marketplace let’s say you’re in the marketplace for terracotta you go into the nursery you see see terra cotta on the Shelf you’re like I really want that Rose well then terra cotta comes out it and I’m not saying it’s yellow when it was supposed to be kind of orange-ish red but let’s say it’s more like pink and you’re like that’s not terraa that’s not what I thought it was going to be it was sold under an assumptive name yeah have you everever that we call that mislabeled yeah but I mean but have you ever had that have you ever caught that cuz I feel like I feel like there’s so many times where like for like what’s really okay Salvia lantha Salvia lantha is Mexican Sage but there’s Salvia lantha midnight there Salvia lantha regular there’s Salvia Luca compacta and there’s a few other ones I’ve seen it where lanscape companies have made the mistake where they planted like three of one and then all of a sudden there’s this different one it’s still a Salvia lantha but it doesn’t match the other three you know and it’s like was that one mislabeled or do they just pick up the wrong one I don’t know but have you ever caught a plant that you purchased being the wrong plant and they told you that it was something only if it was mislabeled but did you actually like be like oh or did you just forget about it completely well since I can’t remember I would say I forgot about it completely see that’s the thing with plants like for instance if you if you purchased a purple crepe myrtle crepe myrtles don’t Bloom till the summer okay so you can have that plant for eight months before before you see it flower and or I brought let’s say I purchased a plant I brought it in I I really wasn’t aware but somebody told me that it was this plant or this name and I brought it in and you guys said that’s not what it is who sold that to you exactly well the guy at Home Depot told me you go well that’s not even that’s not what it is it’s not even the right species yeah I know what I know what you’re saying I know I know exactly because because I’ve been at a at a box door you know now and then and even in my limited knowledge we be talking to somebody and I’ll go that’s not no that’s not what that is they’re selling you a hibiscus and it’s a hydrange yeah yeah exactly Kim and Tusa knows what you’re talking about tiger she says it happens all the time in canis oh yeah yeah that’s hard because they go away completely you divide them and then you plant them up again and youas are mislabeled all the time you don’t buy them until they’re a plant but like meaning you don’t know what it’s going to look like until flowers and this is kind of like when we got to take a break here but during the auction you know when John will have on the overhead projector it’s not blooming but this is what it’s going to look like when it does Bloom if you’re going to bid on this just just know that it’s going to be this and hopefully it is that in the future we got to take says that her mother taught her never buy a rose unless she see it in blow there you go kind of what we’re talking about our final segment coming up we’ll see you on the other side here on Garden America ladies and gentlemen those on bis talk radio Facebook live we have reached the final segment of this weekend’s Garden America show we’re glad you could join us a lot of people tuned in stay with us we have another eight minutes or so to go before we say officially say goodbye John first time in a while our friend from uh Pakistan hastam has joined us I saw that he got little hearts he loves the show we love you my friend we do and then uh uh tiger did you see what Carlos question was about roses I’m looking if we can’t find it Carly you can repeat it or rewrite it well while we’re look while Tiger’s looking for that John says that his Australian finger lime is struggling uh and losing its leaves he said he acclimated it for two weeks and put it in a 60-in pot the soil’s moist but not wet suggestions H there there’s a couple things you could do uh one is uh see if you can get some hb101 there you go and mix a cap full of that in a watering can with any kind of organic water soluble and pour it over the top of the plant and then make sure the soil does dry out he said the soil’s not wet so maybe there not good drainage but well I’m just saying don’t let it dry out a little okay uh you don’t want to keep the uh soil wet all the time while the roots are acclimating but the HP 101 will really help a lot so that with uh you know mixed with a liquid kelp or something and by pouring it uh even if the leaves aren’t doing well that can uh shock not Shock the plant but spur it on to growth just through the stems itself I think it’s unusual because a lot of people think well let me just pour it onto the soil or into the soil and in this case with hb101 just pour it over the plant like it’s taking a shower uh Sherry uh wants to know what kind of soil to recommend for uh bumping up the Bania that she and I both just got from uh Gabriel plants I think we know the answer to that right John our favorite soil um well what’s a is there a soil you’d recommend tiger for citrus no no this one was for the bohia the pink bohia oh um I I used the uh Happy Frog but I was wondering if there was a ferti soil no no I mean yeah any good and they they like water a bit so you know any kind of potty soltion the Happy Frog or the amused toad I put mine into a uh I think it was a 5in pot and I used just the Happy Frog potting soil and then put a little bit of um uh organic food just a tiny bit in and it it’s probably grown in just a little over a week almost an inch yeah I mean binas are one of those trees that you know can tolerate U uh going dry but they also will respond really well to lots of water um so if you want it to grow faster fertilize in water regularly but at the same time it’ll it’ll tolerate you have HB 101 at the nursery right yes can you bring me a bottle next week I’ll I’ll remind you yeah okay if you’re giving it away I’ll take a two or three you’re giving a with 30 bucks a bottle right yeah something like that that’s pretty expensive but here’s the thing of all the of all the products we recommend nine out of 10 times you you’ll see a result you’ll be amazed it stuff stuff is Magic yes don’t ask us how it works or why yes I got Carlo’s question is it the one about the hose yeah correct Okay so so she was asking a question um her hose nozzle leaks when she threads it onto the hose and you know the it sounds like the hose the little rubber the well it sounds like the hose um male part of the hose is kind of maybe a little bit um tweaked where whatever nozzle she puts on there it’s not threading on properly you’re not remember you’re not alone somebody did make a comment about the washer and sometimes you know you need to put in one or two washers in there to make it work and seal properly um and even if you is a washer in there sometimes replacing the washer works as well right but then I was going to say if that’s not it Carla the other thing that you can do is buy some Teflon tape which is just a white plastic tape they you plumbers use it whenever they’re threading material onto piping and that acts as a sealant also and it sticks too it’s almost like putting a spackle not spackle but but but it it it wraps tight yeah wraps tight and then when you thread um piping on there it allows you to thread yeah it’ll um it’ll seal better so I don’t know if that would um help you but it might because that stuff works pretty well yeah so again check the washer maybe a new washer maybe two washers if that’s not working if it’s more coming out of the threaded part because the mail end is dented or you know um somebody stepped on it or something then maybe the Teflon tape would help you with that let Teflon tape I it’s like duct tape to me it it it but it’s not sticky like it’s it’s not sticky meaning it’s not like a tape that you can use to like tape up something but you’re but it still allows you to thread correct John did you want we got a couple of minutes to did you want to attempt hastam are you looking at his question I was just reading it now he says as we’re discussing hibiscus uh at our at their Nursery a customer asked a question about hibiscus for making hibiscus tea yeah and I know there’s a specific variety for hibiscus tea and um what is it yeah and what is it um Tiger’s gonna look that up real quick because we got about a minute too here we’re getting toward the end well if not we can you know what I can put a an article in the newsletter about making hibiscus tea how about that there you go okay there’s another reason to subscribe to the newsletter ham John is going to organize and put together an article and uh we’ll go from there hibiscus and then John will correct me yeah Sabara okay so it’s a specific species yeah that’s the one they use that’s the one that they use and um they use that one for hibiscus tea they also use that one for uh hamikah which is the red uh Mexican Mexican not Spanish Mexican drink yeah that they is made out of hibiscus flowers H is made out and there you go and with that we have to say goodbye thank you boy great turnout today as far as people on Facebook live watching the show listening to the show those on bis talk radio thank you very much we’re going to take the rest of the weekend off uh go to our regular jobs during the week and come back here next weekend here on Garden America for the entire crew tiger palifox John magnasco I’m Brian Maine thank you for supporting us thank you to ferone for sponsoring Garden America we’ll see you next week have a safe week until then get growing America take care