Gardening Podcast: Edible Landscaping with Ed Laivo – Garden America Radio Show 1.6.24]

Ed Laivo has been the sales and marketing director for Dave Wilson Nursery, Four Winds Growers, and Burchell Nursery. He has over thirty-five years of horticultural experience including general ornamentals, perennials, and edible landscaping with particular emphasis on fruit trees.

His technique known as “Backyard Orchard Culture” has been adopted throughout the United States. Tune in today to hear Ed’s latest discoveries about the infatuation that gardeners have with growing their own fruits and vegetables.

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How about that we are on the air once again broadcasting live on Facebook we call it Facebook live our friends on bis talk radio tuned into last week’s show thank you for supporting us I’m Brian Maine we’ve got tiger palifox John begnas who knew we are back for the

Weekend and as John reminded me before the show this morning our first show in the New Year 2024 happy New Year and with that we toss to my friend and your friend tiger John bagnasco yeah the first show of the Year wow you were nervous this morning coming

In all jittery and shaky that about that’s cuz I had extra coffee yeah we’ve been up since 3: in the morning yeah I did I did not sleep that’s five hours you’ve been up yeah already wow so we expect a good show out of you suck it up

Was there Frost when you woke up this morning on your yard I no but but I have two nights this week according to the phone to the iPhone that are going to be in the 30s upcoming two nights that are upcoming that are going to be in the 30

Last night was just 41 so that’s well above Frost yeah what’s the coldest uh you’ve experienced in Fallbrook in all your years I don’t know but oh we’ve had in all my years uh like 27 snow 20 light snow we had snow once a dusting of snow

Yeah she’s 20 27 degrees you know all our friends in Lancing are saying yeah yeah we wish that we had that he well we we admit that we’re wussies we have a five degree tolerance here in San Diego well the only ones that complain about

The fact there hasn’t been any rain in a while and and you know I mentioned on the last show my evergreen pair as John pointed out that’s called an evergreen pair um was not losing its leaves but this week it started it started losing its leaves they’re starting to all drop

Off now John so you one of my New Years resolutions to try to be less condescending no why don’t ruin it for the rest of us you can’t change up now hey Kim says it’s 32 in tuxen you know Kim in you know Tu uh Kim also mentioned about uh the

Big waves we’re having here oh yeah right did you go out no I haven’t served no no do you have friends that are doing that or they getting too old now yeah I know we’re all getting too old for that I don’t know I I I gotta see but you

Know the thing with the big waves also is that it doesn’t always mean it’s good surf it’s very it’s choppy bre or right yeah exactly didn’t it like a big one hit the OB Pier oh they always hit yeah they got to repair that Pier I guess but

I said now totally damaged they said that last time too I know they said this was the the final nail in the coffin Ono yeah you Daniel says it’s going to be back in San Diego where it’s warmer he was in St Louis visiting family yeah he’s our Web Master for those watching

On Facebook live you know regarding that that big surf and all of that all of that damage you know it is a it is a bummer you know about all that happening when a high tide a big swell happens at the same time because when it coincides

It just creates that storm surge effect and it was funny because you know my wife was like oh wow look at look at this look at what’s happening and you know Brian you grew up in in PB I grew up a block from the ocean and and that’s

Actually kind of a common thing where like that Mission Beach area floods every year like we we’ve had over the years I mean flooding to the point where Mission Boulevard people are in rowboats yes and and it’s going into to businesses yes so it’s like you know I

Mean I know that there were some areas that are severely damaged and not expected that’s fine but for a lot of those low-lying Beach areas right this is something that they deal with every year when there’s a high tide in a in a swell you know what’s interesting

Because what happens when you build your house below sea level exactly you know cuz Alexa wants to tell us everything right yeah so we get these not notifications notification what is it Alexa there is a high surf advisory for the scrips Ranch area scrips Ranch I’m like I’m

25 25 miles from the ocean and you’re and you’re probably sitting at an elevation of you know several hundred feet if not a thousand I guess maybe we’re considered Coastal right because you have beaches yeah I I’m not sure how far in they consider Coastal and then mountains and deserts unless she says

It’s the mother of all tsunamis heading your way don’t even worry about it my gosh like cut it out will you hey uh Seuss says uh um she’s looking forward to a wonderful year of gardening and she said Costa Rica yes to 2024 yeah still have a few more seats if anybody wants

To join us come on what are you waiting for this is Costa Rica we’re talking Cayman and volcanoes and do you know what one of the uh travel uh magazines just put out that the number one place to visit in the world in 2024 Costa Rica we better get there before everybody

Else does that knowuh right we already have our tickets so we don’t have to worry yeah it’s going to be a lot of fun so if you have anybody that uh that wants to to go or contemplating let them know what’s happening best thing to do is go to our website Garden america.com

The entire itinerary is posted every day that’s right and if you’re online now watching us Daniel usually posts a link Daniel does to uh the Costa itinerary by the way Diane in Orange County we wanted she says good morning to us and want to say hi cuz she’s been

With us on several of our trips um to Europe right so we had a great time with dianae hello gardeners all over the world from Marina ah Marina where’s Marina at Marina’s in Georgia oh Georgia yeah now the country it’s yeah not not Georgia north of Florida the country of Georgia wow in

The caucus caucuses you know speaking of Alexa just quickly here if you say Alexa play Garden America podc you have to say podcast I tried show it doesn’t work I could just just see all over the world Alexa play America podcast Garden America pod and she even gives you a

Reminder really uh yeah hey hey the show is notification latest Garden America show so there you have it with that I’m going to adjust the camera during the break we need to see more of you we can’t cut tiger off like that and you know the people that um are worried

About how tiger was going to behave his mother just posted that Tiger’s dad’s going to Costa ricao with you well that’s more of a shaer own thing because the last time you were by yourself that didn’t go well that didn’t work out at all however though bail is cheap though

You said down there yeah yeah yeah you know from my experience it’s pretty easy to get out so you know I have 10 bucks I think got you out 10 bucks hey you know what I did this week uh hate to change the subject get back

Feel free this is your show too get back to gardening but um I potted up 92 one gallon uh Rose seedlings and I’m really looking forward to see what I get this year I should have just fantastic Bloom this spring but the reason I I mention it is that

You know everybody should be pruning their roses now in Southern California and in the warm States if you’re in the colder part of the country yes we know it’s cold and it’s snow just leave them go but roses uh as you go to prum you’ll see hips ripe red hips uh take those

Open them up get the seeds out and plant the seeds and you will have probably have seedlings coming up uh probably around April and if you plant them now I was shocked by how easy they how easily they grew you know the seedlings that you gave us um recently they died yeah

That was that that’s true too but you know you know people might think like oh I’ll never get like for instance like a pine cone you know when you go to harvest a pine cone it’s actually kind of difficult to get a pine treated grow sometimes you know from seed but like

Those rose hip seeds were so easy so many of them came up and the fun thing about it is as you mentioned before you never know what you’re going to get and you can have some really fun mean like a box of chocolates yeah life is like a

Box of chocol you’re going to get but um well I did pot up seven of the Manhattan blue seedlings so we’ll see what you missed out on yeah I like that name Manhattan blue it’s kind of a cool name and it’s a European Rose too you wonder

Why would they call it Manhattan blue yeah I don’t know but um if you are in a cold area of the country you can still go out and take those hips bring them in the house cut them open get the seeds out uh and then plant them in like six

Inch pots and put the pots back outdoors and when the snow melts they’ll come up a lot of roast seeds germinate better if they’ve had at least six weeks of cold treatment could you do a short video on that like say within 60 seconds of what

You just explain you could you know what I could bring some pods into the studio here and we could do a little video if you want if you’d like to see that on Facebook let us know we’ve got a couple of minutes until the break but I do want

To get to your quote John your quote of the week Ed livo is going to be with us we’ll get a hold of Ed during the break but uh the quote of the week and then there’s a picture in the newsletter I want to discuss as well at some point

It’s all good nothing nothing bad well the quote of the weeks from Jamaica concade and she said I shall never have the garden I have in my mind but that for me is the joy of it certain things can never be realized and so all the more reason to attempt them that’s your

Fantasy Garden yeah I have a garden in my my mind you know you know what I also like though this song because I do agree with that but I also like when you go out to your yard and maybe you haven’t noticed something in a while and it has

Done what you wanted it to do you know meaning like ex that bush has grown to the size that you wanted it to grow or now that plant is flowering that you want it to flower cuz that’s the fun thing too is you have to be really

Patient with a garden to be able to experience we got to take a break so please be patient with us those on bis talk radio a bit longer uh those on Facebook live we’re going to get a hold of Ed livo when we return it’s edivo and

I’ve got a question about a picture that John posted in the newsletter do stay with us it is Garden America John Basco Brian M tiger palifox back after these messages on bis talk radio okay we are back from the break we do appreciate you joining us here on Garden

America our little radio and Facebook live show been doing this for quite some time so thank you and we appreciate and welcome all new listeners and viewers here to the show it is Garden America Ed live always standing by but first first of all quickly I want to go to John and

I know Ed’s listening to us here uh on hold you posted a picture in the newsletter of an olive tree I believe right yes and how old did we surmise that Olive Tree might be I think that particular one they were saying uh about 3,000 years old now it reminded me of

Our trip to Europe in U southern France or some part of France yeah I think it was ARL ARL next to these Roman aqueducts right and there was an olive tree there those were thousand year old Olive Tre thousand year old olive trees and just staring at it thinking of the

History what it’s seen yeah what it’s seen and and what it’s done and how many olives it’s dropped over the years yeah anyway I just when I saw that picture in the newsletter it hearkened me back to that trip you know and it’s funny you know to bring Ed into the program you

Know Ed when I was growing up in the garden industry you know I was kind of taught that trees aged out you know especially fruit trees you know oranges you know they aged out apples aged out but that’s that’s kind of really not the case right Ed you know I mean you know

There’s all kinds of records of thousand year old fruit trees and you know the original fruit trees here and there and you know they still produce fruit pretty well right yeah me sure yeah you bet there are yeah I’m not sure about a thousand years tiger well I think the thousand years is

Going to be rare for a peach yeah I think the record uh on a pear tree if I recall is a pear tree that’s oh somewhere in is it Eastern Europe anyway it’s about uh either I forget now it’s 600 or 800 years old but that’s the record for a uh stone fruit

Yeah I don’t that’s not really a Stone but anyway I was up I was up in the sieras back oh I don’t know probably 10 15 years ago looking at all the the um well not looking at all but looking at a number of the places that Pioneers

That had actually planted Orchards up there and um some of the best looking of those old 130 year old Orchards were uh the pears as a matter of fact and apples though they look degraded and you know they still produce fruit so you know they’re they’re here in California as

Well I mean you there’s examples all over the place I mean there’s the parent Washington naval orange down in your area that you know as an example of longevity and fruit but I mean and we’re only talking you know modest longevity in that case but none nonetheless it’s longer than me or I’ll

Be yeah well tiger when we were in Europe we saw uh was it at rogard Kipling’s house uhhuh uh we saw some of the original apple trees that were in his yard yeah yeah no we did and you know I mean it’s it’s amazing to be able

To kind of see because you know I mean growing up I was always taught oh you know you know a citrus an apple you know 10 15 years and you might want to replace them or something but you know that’s really because you’re in the Retail Nursery business exactly got to turn them

Over well that you’re supposed to say that in the Retail Nursery business yeah right yeah yeah that’s a that’s a part of the quota we didn’t formally welcome Ed to the show you kind of eased into it and I know we have a lot of listeners and viewers who are maybe not be

Familiar with Ed Ed just quickly little bio on yourself and bring us up to date and what you’re doing little bio I for crying out loud well I think I’m going on my you know 45th year in the nursery industry and I’m officially qua I retired I’m not sure what that means yet

But um you know of course the uh commercial industry is having quite a quite a bunch of let’s just say tough times and right so consequently um the company I was working for virtual Nursery wonderful company um has laid off half of their employees um and so I was amongst that

You don’t need a sales manager if you’re not selling anything um and that’s actually going through the entire you know uh commercial side of the industry it’s a it’s a devastating period for everybody so I I would encourage everybody to have some sympathy in that regard but um my background is uh you

Know I started in the retail way way back when I was uh for just a couple of things I was a manager of one of the larger retail nurseries um in the State uh helped build it and that was the Urban Tree Farm up in Santa Rosa and

Still a wonderful um operation with very very close friends of mine uh went to work for a company called oky Nursery at your time had three nurseries throughout the west coast and I was the um out of state sales coordinator and uh built their fruit tree program and perennial

Program at the time uh then I went to work for a little company called Dave Wilson Nursery um and spent 18 years almost 19 years at Dave Wilson Nursery working with just a wonderful crew and group of people and still I’m very close with all of them um then I went to work

For another well I’ll skip that one and I went to work for company called uh for winds Growers and a wonderful group there as well and worked with citrus for about 5 years or so and um then went out on my own for a couple of years with

Edible edable Solutions and um still have that um and then I went to birchell so um and then the this big layoff that’s gone on um you know kind of put me back in a position where you know I’m I’m an older gentleman and um I don’t necessarily need to work and I’m

Actually exploring you know why but I still enjoy you know producing in my videos so on edible Solutions I’m still producing videos and I don’t know you know my videos are are kind of quirky but you know they’re fun for me and U that’s all that I’m concerned about

Right now and then uh I’m still doing lectures so I’m booked for lectures to be exact um I’ve Got Annie Annie’s annuals coming up on January 13th um but uh old friends of your program and that’s the Hodes Nursery I’ll be up at Ken so place with Shelly and um and uh

On the 20 I think on the 20th and then again I’m going to go up and help him out on the uh 17th of February Ed I got I got news for you Ed that’s not retirement yeah if that’s retirement and you hate to hear what working sounded

Like you know for me it is uh somewhat and then plus I’m booked for all kinds of teaching Master Gardener programs which I really enjoy I I enjoy working with young people and you enjoy working with people there are going to you know of course um support and help you know

Promote our industry as well we have one of our uh one of the listeners that’s posting online is in the Bay Area so that’s good to let them know that you’re going to be at Annie’s they’re in is it Richmond where they are yeah yeah they’re in Richmond right yeah you know

It’s um yeah it’s a great operation Annie’s I’ve worked with them for years and um they’re a wonderful group to work with and we always get a great turnout there so you know it’s I I’m not interested in in kind of pursuing you know any kind of lecture I I I think I’m

Going after just things where I can know I can be a benefit right now and um you know the rest of the time I’m I bought a new house I’m working on my new house I moved out of the Bay Area and in back into the valley back into Modesto to be

Close to my next grandchild which is just outstanding so hey life is good man it’s chicken you you you and John over here kind of running side by side hey had we’re going to have to take a break right now but when we get back um we

Want to get chatting about some of the things that we brought you on the program for and that is the time of year that this is the stone fruits the time of year to look out for them and start planting them and take care of them so

When we get back we’ll keep chatting with Ed live which also means those on Facebook live a great opportunity to ask your questions to Ed yeah Talking fruit talking a lot this morning so we’re going to take a break for Biz talk radio but we do encourage your questions here

On Facebook live so do stay with us as we take a break this is Garden America bis talk radio Facebook live welcome to 2024 Garden America back from the break we trust you had a good break those on bis talk radio those on Facebook live I

Do want to to thank Stephanie her team on the biz talk radio and TV network for keeping us uh on the air each and every week pre-recorded show one week behind so thank you for tuning in back on Facebook live we are ready to go Ed live

Always with us tiger and again those on Facebook live as you listen questions comments we do certainly welcome those tiger yeah we’re chatting with Ed liveo with edable Solutions um so you know right now as uh we started the program John had mentioned over here Ed that

It’s the time to start um cutting back the roses for the people here on the West Coast this is kind of our coldest time of year so it’s also a great time of year for people to take care of their um deciduous trees and also plant their

Um be root uh trees that are coming into stock in all the garden centers here in Southern California um what are some things that people can do right now that um if they have those deciduous trees that they need to be thinking about well if you have them then you know I I

I hope that you’ve done your homework in terms of you know of course I I just posted a video to um yesterday on uh just some simple tips on like for instance number one reason people people lose uh fruit trees is uh drainage poor drainage and knowing your drainage is

Really really important before you stick that fruit tree in the ground um second is exposure you know a lot of times uh people will actually favor the I this is my personal belief favor the mo the afternoon sun as opposed to the morning sun I want to see eight hours of

Sunlight on any fruit variety and I want to see it getting the morning sun first because that’s the drying Sun that’s the Sun that helps us avoid the diseases and the afternoon sun is the burning Sun that tends to be the one that causes all of our Sunburn and damages to trees and

So you know favoring that morning sun is always a good idea next would be becoming familiar with what your climate zone is you know I like to recommend the USDA zone map just take a look at it find out what your climate zone is so

That you know what it is and then kind of become familiar with chill requirements so that you understand what variety you’re looking for to that’s going to be appropriate for your area um then diseases imp pest I think it’s always important to know what diseases

Imp pest may may um be be a concern with uh the trade that your person the variety you’re P You’re purchasing so that you can kind of prepare prepare yourself to um add that to your you know your uh maintenance care or concerns and then last you know and this tiger you’ll

Love this one the last one is always select a nursery that has good knowledgeable fruit tree people on staff and are knowledgeable about the area that you’re planting in so I I’m becoming very very specific about that because I think you know you want good information you got to go to places

Where people are experiencing the challenges and you know the rewards and then get that information firsthand so I I I really think that that’s a that’s another so those are my those are my quick tips and and replacing your fruit trees every five years right that we just determined

Right that’s right well you know remember at the retail level I you know I’ve always been a firm believer that we’re dealing with 85% novice gardeners and so consequently our ability to make them successful is always going to be you know our reward and having them be consistent customers and I think uh

That’s important to know yeah and you mentioned you know a good point about shopping for the trees um you know reliable information because you know we live in a world now where you know everybody is selling products and you know some of these box stores will just

Bring in something that they can’t feel as popular but it might not be exactly great for your area and so you walk in they think oh you know I’m in I’m in San Diego look it they’re selling cherries here I’m gonna I’m gonna have a cherry tree and meanwhile there’s only maybe

Two varieties of cherries that actually grow here in San Diego well you know I just went to an independent uh outlet and I won’t mention their name and and they had gooseberries and I don’t think gooseberries do well no no gooseberries aren’t going to do well down there not

At all yeah but but you know keep in mind though there is a there is a you know when I say that 85% novice Gardener the 15% Advanced gardeners John bag Nasco they they tend to be the ones that take those challenges and want to look for those varieties and want to

Challenge you know the do you know what you’re talking about um and or prove you wrong you know I mean it depends on you know who you’re talking to what the level of you know of humility is but but I think that in in in looking at having availability to that you know

That made very will be the stuff that should be online you know that you should shop for online you know those Fringe varieties and the independent should have all the great varieties that are the you know the Commodities and they should also have all the new Fringe variet the The Fringe Commodities that

Are coming in the new and exciting things because you know firsthand that’s where you know of course the customer and and I’m I’m I I agree with you Tiger 100% you need to take and get out of the minutia of information that’s out there right now not just the box stores the

Box stores only put it on the ground and you become a victim but you get online and you start suring these different you know websites and you get all this kind of crazy information man where you know you come in with some Notions that you know you can you

Know grow papayas and you know ready hey Ed uh Lisa uh who’s watching the show online uh has a question she wants to know what the best way is to keep from getting shot well stay out of bad neighborhoods I think oh wait wait the the rest of it

Was and damage fruit on her Apricot Tree well you gota you got to first ask you know where you’re at you know because you know if it is Shadle fungus that we’re dealing with Shadle fungus to me is not necessarily a critical problem it’s an aesthetic problem um um quite

Often and and you know of course you can take care of that with different sprays I always recommend that you get get a relationship going with your local EG extension service so that you support them and at the same time get get proper information as to what chemicals are

Recommended especially relative to your particular feelings about how you want to grow your food if you’re organic you want to have organic if you want to have uh if you want conventional conventional you know it doesn’t matter um just that you’re putting out the effort to control

That but um shuttle fungus is probably pretty common in prunus um especially when you start going north of safe Fresno hey Eden regarding that also I mean when it comes to the biggest questions for your your fruit trees um across the board it’s always having to

Do with production you know oh I had great production I had great fruit last year and this year I had terrible fruit so let’s say let’s say that people did do their homework and they found a variety that is supposed to grow well for them um you know and let’s say that

You know it’s a mature tree what what are the variables that affect production the most and and is it is it true people are having these great producing years and then poor producing years or do they just not realize that they’re all they’re all the same they just think

It’s good or bad no you know what I think it’s the latter I think it is you know there’s good years and bad years man and it’s always it’s always a challenge you know relative to we as well so last year being a great example I mean we had probably the

Latest Harvest of fruit in many cases and many genres you know across the board and uh and and some people you know didn’t get fruit at all because you know and I’ll give you an example I mean every single one of my plots were blooming like crazy in early March when

It was pouring and I I mean flavor Supreme was just a wash hardly got any queens and I usually get abundant queens and and and the Kings the kings came through and dappled Dandy I don’t care what you do to dapp Dandy it always produce fruit so you know that’s I think

It’s you know so often it’s weather related and whether that weather is let’s say inadequate chill so you just don’t get enough hard dorcy in the and and I’m a I’m a real um advocate of dorcy being primarily a concern from December to mid January and after that

All bets are off if you don’t get you know an accumulative um number of chill hours before January 15th you’re out of luck you know anything after that to me doesn’t doesn’t make any difference at all especially in California so you possibly that might be different in

Missouri so you can do your best job pruning best job fertilizing you can have established tree but if that weather isn’t working out no matter what you do it’s going to be poor production year huh oh yeah you know and then you’ve got all those different challenges with alternate bearing

Varieties too and apples you know avocados mandarins I mean there’s so many different nuances and again if we’re dealing with that 85% novice Gardener keep in mind you know that that’s the person that’s going to ask that question and have that concern right away because they expect that

Thing to be producing every day of the week All Summer Long yeah every year hey we’re going to have to take another break a lot of fun chatting um when we get back from the break let’s start talking about some of uh the new things that people can be planting and how to

Plant them yeah you bet and John couple of questions when we return right we do we have a couple uh answers coming with those questions hopefully and that’s what we do here on Garden America so again reminding those on Facebook live questions comments and live always here

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For those of you that are tuned in on bis talk radio the bis talk radio network this is the final segment of hour number one which means after this news coming up top of the hour we come back at 6 minutes after because bis talk plays both hours of garden America so

Hopefully that you can tune in for that at least catch one of the hours as we return now Ed liveu our guest and John do we want to get to those questions quickly yeah uh Ed you can answer questions uh just about anywhere in the

Country I think but uh think so yeah you you do really good on National but how about International questions because this one comes from uh Marina in the country of Georgia okay and she says that she planted an almond tree in the variety is called Supernova I don’t know if you’re

Familiar with that that one yeah I am okay and uh she planted it at her summerh house which is 1,800 uh feet uh or 600 MERS above sea level and the breeder told her that it’s too high for almonds so last winter she covered her almond tree and it was fine

But this winter she decided not to cover it so she wants to know do you think it’s going to survive the winter they have temperatures at night about 20° below zero or yeah Nega yeah – 20 cenr Celsius uh but it’s only for one to two weeks that it’ll get like

That well let me tell you this okay 20 degrees below zero for for 10 hours will kill an ometry ah now are you’re talking about Fahrenheit or Centigrade uh Fahrenheit okay CU she’s Centigrade oh Celsius do the math real quick yeah right I’m not good at that at all

Sorry um yeah so what is that anybody know yeah Tiger’s do a conversion right Tiger’s gonna look on his computer minus 20 Celsius tiger there you go buddy we are showing we are American right now aren’t we converting to a Fahrenheit I’m impressed that Marina asked her question

In English so so -20 cels talk to my my niece in in nor way all the time and just use a translator thing is4 degrees okay4 four four four just four just four Ed no just four oh negative four negative four I mean you know negative4

And like below let’s say all almonds can get start getting hurt even even the um uh oh gosh what’s the name of that bitter almond um Halls the Halls Hardy even the Hall’s Hardy is probably going to start getting damaged somewhere around zero so you know I mean really severely damaged and

And I I don’t believe the Supernova is an exceptionally Hardy variety I think that’s a general Al so yes it will be damaged and you said it at minus four Ed that would still be like you said 10 hours is going to wipe it out yeah well not wiped out

But let’s just say it’s severely damaged I mean you know and and the difference between that is what kind of cold it is because remember you know there’s different kind of colds you know there’s a cal that is you know it that where the humidities are high and you know you you

Get that that that that moisture level that goes around and freezes and sometimes even protects yeah but then you get that dry coal that dry coal that desiccating coal forget it yeah yeah exactly cannot take that at all and the and Marina did say the breeder told her

That it was too cold there so she always being honest but she you know she uh protect did it covered it up the year before and it was fine yeah so she’s going to try to let my thought there goes you know I mean look at if you take

A lot of the sub Tropicals out of Southern California and bring them up north what’s the first thing that you have to do if you want to be successful you got to protect them so you know it and again you you’re talking about that adventurous 15% you know of our of our

Um of the gardening base that actually would even take on a challenge like that but the others should be forewarned that that probably won’t work and and I would like to see them directed towards things that actually are going to be more successful so their experience starts

Off and we turn them into that 15% more advanced Gardener yeah yeah good point Rick in Star Idaho wants to know how often you should fertilize fruit trees oh for crying out loud uh TIG is gonna hate me on this one I’m not a big fertilizer you know um it’s um you know

It depends um oh he’s in Star okay I know star well um you know the first thing you want to do is do a soil test to determine whether or not you have the nutrient deficiency at all but I think all in all the best thing you can be

Doing up in in uh Idaho and I have a lot of experience in Idaho I’ve had the privilege of working with the university up there as well um my thought would be mulching you know consistently mulching creating you know that top layer of organic matter getting that you know a

Part of the the uh feeding system let’s call it of for the um that root for the feeder roots of the of your fruit tree and also protecting it you know during winter time too as well so mulch to me in the long term is going to be the

Biggest contributing factor in in Idaho but that does take time you know in essence but a soil test then would tell you whether or not you really have a nutrient deficiency that you need to be concerned about Idaho has all kinds of other challenges that may very well kind

Of emulate a you know a a nutrient deficiency when in fact it’s you know something else and and I agree with you Ed I mean when it comes to fruit trees you know rather than thinking about fertilization you should be thinking about soil quality I mean when you first

Started off talking about fruit trees you talked about drainage you know and one of the biggest problems here in Southern California is that we have heavy clay soil and so when people plant their trees and then they have problems down the road or or they rot or you know

They have disease a lot of it has to do with because they’re you know in poor draining areas and if you mulch or if you use fertilizers that are more geared towards amending the soil that they’re in to improve that drainage to improve that ability for the roots to move

Through it um that goes way above and beyond the NPK value of anything that you’re going to put on it right yeah yeah I I’m I’m particularly I’m particularly concerned about you know the winter drainage because the winter drainage on fortunately you know is the one that

Really is going to critically cause the damage to the root system then exactly what happens is in the spring when the tree leaves out and kind of wilts a little bit what’s the first thing people want to do it’s water pour water on it yeah yeah and so you know we exacerbate

Existing problems just simply because we’re not really familiar with what you know is actually happening the physiological things that are happening with plant Millie in Napo says that her neighbors Coast Live Oaks starting to shade her citrus trees she goes I think this isn’t a good thing is she

Right well I’ll tell you what if I’m not as concerned about shaded lemons and limes and things that really don’t require sugar you know as their primary taste um but definitely you know it’s going to be a problem for things like mandarins and oranges and you know th th

Those things that are going to you know really require high sugar or to get the quality of that fruit yes yeah be challenged as that tree gets more and more shaded hey Ed we’re going to have to pause for another quick second take a break when we get back we’ll continue

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Checking in every on then that that’s okay too those on bis talk radio pre-recorded show from last week those on Facebook live this is live Ed livo bring bringing it this morning no doubt about that John yeah you know what I’ve got a a question here from Lyla in Powe

And I never heard of this so maybe Ed knows uh she’s says she can’t find a Lila avocado in Southern California I never even heard of lla avocado huh no I never have either that that that there’s a there there’s a number of new varieties as I’m sure you’re aware of

Yeah yeah but and some of them I haven’t even had you know the privilege of trying yet so but I’ve heard great things it’s amazing how often you know you get new varieties of avocados where everybody just goes nuts about how good they are you know and then you know when

You finally have them you find out okay it’s good that’s okay do you know anything about a queen avocado yeah Queen I’ve heard of uh because I’m getting ready to plant one of those and and I I heard really good things about it I I just same thing here who knows until you

Try it hey yeah yeah yeah right and it you know and it’s going to be a few years before you get the well you’re in Southern California um hey Ed you know a couple questions back somebody had asked about um a oak shading a tree and you had said

You know you were more concerned about the the trees that require sugar production now another thing you know that that you know you mentioned earlier is you know full sun Morning Sun is important for you know a lot of our producing trees now will shade also

Affect production or is it more just the quality of fruit because you know when you’re driving up through the Central Valley I mean yeah there’s there’s Fe you know acres and Acres of these Citrus Groves and and fruit tree Groves but they’re large trees and they shade a lot

Of those you would think you would think that they would be more exposed but I mean does so is shade of the tree as critical towards production or is not that big of a deal you know I I’m going to speculate on this on this one and say that it’s

Not as big a deal and and the reason is specifically what you’re saying is that when you think about the blossom time on many varieties of fruit aside from avocados and aside from you know Citrus but if you think about you know deciduous varieties you know they’re

Blooming at a time when there’s no leaf on the tree and so consequent the flowers are fully Expo exposed but keep in mind when it comes to fruit production you know what’s the what’s the thing you want to you know open the tree open up the tree for sunlight make

Sure you’ve got plenty of sunlight penetrating you know and with Citrus you know I think that it’s you know it’s a heat Factor too you know that’s that’s important as well so you know getting that tree because because in me in many cases I mean up in Northern California

You know we wait for the cold to be able take and get you know the best flavor out of you know let’s say a Washington naval orange M whereas down there I think it tends to be more heat related and I don’t know what the physiological

Difference is but you know we can’t pick an early Washington Naval in Northern California it’s got to get a little bit of Chill on it first oh okay yeah and I mean I know heat is a big deal when it comes to grapefruit too I mean you know

So so yeah you know more so than the Sun or the shade it could be the temperatures that that you know you’re operating at yeah and and grapefruit you got to remember too right because grapefruit you got to remember too is is not a you know particularly sweet

Variety of fruit as well so again you know what’s the physiology that actually contributes to the um uh to to the the fruit quality and and shade in my experience has always been a limiting factor for whatever reason I can’t I couldn’t explain that at a physi

Physiological you know level but um just from a you know what do you call it anecdotal level I can say yes okay Ed Carla in Huntington Beach says that last year after Christmas rather than throw it out she chopped up her Christmas tree and used it as mulch

Around her Citrus and she’s planning on doing it again and she wants to know if that’s a good thing and she wanted you to know that it is was a live tree not artificial yeah you I don’t know artificial trees make great Ms well uh you know yes I think it’s

Great absolutely I mean you know you see studies years ago that said eucalyptus and walnut and all those other things you know that have allopathic you know um which is which is they they’ll bind up nutrients and things in the soil um if you put them on the surface they’re

Fine you know they just break down and you know they provide exactly what you would expect most to provide and didn’t didn’t you just send me or maybe I saw it about article about how they just came out with that that you know people always said oh you know you put pine at

The bottom of your your plants and you’re going to adjust the ph and you know all that stuff and they found it no it’s not true it’s it it it breaks down and it neutralizes and you know it’s it it doesn’t affect the pH at all or

Doesn’t affect the acidity you know at all in the soil so I think pine mulch is great especially for Southern California that’s what they’re saying is definitely use it so well and that used to be the um that used to be be the misunderstanding about Oakleaf mulch up

Here as well oh you know everybody oh yeah you put mul Oakleaf Mulch on and that’s going to you know uh um adjust your pH Down and that couldn’t be further from the truth yeah no it’s it’s just good to good to amend the soil like

You said you know good mulching you know make all the difference when it comes to your fruit trees your orchard or your garden and consistent you know the one thing about you just don’t Mulch and then walk away from it you know every year you put more on more on more and

And whenever you know you put you know good good layers get build up that layer those layers of mulch yeah good point that’s always surprised me about uh California because being from the Midwest uh you can go sometimes you can go in the spring to gas stations and

They’re selling bags of mulch mulch yeah yeah e Coast too and if anywhere doesn’t need it it’s probably the Midwest yeah it’s so true right yeah but you know in Southern California just people don’t mulch enough I don’t think you can over do it unless maybe the mulch is too

Fresh and it’s still hot yeah yeah I don’t I don’t even know if that’s a problem but I think I I think I agree I’d avoid that but o overall John I think it’s a problem on the in California in general not just in Southern California it’s a problem up

Here when I first started lecturing on mulch in probably around what probably 1980 81 you know it was considered hippie science it was it was it was completely rejected and and I I had the the worst time trying to take and convince people you know that hey no it’s not hippie

Science it’s actually something that we abandoned way back in the beginning of the 1900s as petrochemical science started to come in as a more um what do you call it um traditional factor and and and we’re having a lot of trouble shaking that yeah I I think it just went

Back to like you know in the petrochemical companies they they they said that here here’s an an efficient and effective way to do this and you know because mulch is like you mentioned it takes time you know I mean it has to break down it gets into the soil and all

That so they were like hey here’s a pill basically to give your plants this product and you know well we’re finding out that you know maybe that’s not the best way to do it here but mulching no matter what I mean I mulch my yard twice

A year and the the results I see after you know just the plants after I do it it’s it’s amazing to see how the plants react just after it’s been done and you don’t even do anything different you know all I did was drop down mulch and the plants

React I go I go as far as say I do a lot of things different you know when once that mulch gets established what number one I use less water number two I’m fertilizing you know or or I’m concerned about nutrient being a culprit in discoloration or something like that a

Far less because those things become you know a supporting factor and so I’m more inclined to say yeah I’m I’m I’m doing less but I’m doing I’m doing Less in in a real U let’s just say um um what do you call it maintenance way or there’s a

Better word but I can’t find it right now I can’t find well less maintenance but but better quality better quality within that less maintenance yeah yeah absolutely and you know and I I subscribe to this book that I read years and years ago it’s called Cal

Fruits it’s by Dr wixon It Was Written in I believe 199 1917 and um I read that book and it changed my whole perspective on things I read that book back in probably 1979 1980 given to me by a friend and um you know it’s funny because the book reads

Like hippie science hey we’re going to have to pause again for a quick break when we get back we’ll continue chatting with Ed livo you beta thank you for those tuned in on bis talk radio Facebook live as tiger said back after these messages more of Ed livo after

This sun Garden America stay with us hey how about that we have returned from the break Garden America we are going strong first show out of the shoot for 2024 and what better way to you know start off on a very positive note with a lot of energy Ed livo bringing it this

Morning tiger yeah yeah and you know Ed’s joining us you know because of his vast experience and knowledge exactly vast of uh fruit trees and uh deciduous trees and plants in general and you know Ed in the beginning of the show you mentioned your program that you put

Together edible Solutions how how is it that people can get a hold of edible Solutions is it edible or edable Ed it’s Ed able Solutions and then my son you know quickly said oh no you got to add Ed and and I I was toying with that

Because edible Solutions was G was not available but anyways um I’m just you know I’ve got um um what do you call it a Facebook page and I’ve got an Instagram page and I’ve got a YouTube page and I post video I just posted that

Video on on uh planting tips or or or planning on purchasing a fre tree tips I just planted or posted that yesterday um and you know it’s like I said it’s an environment for me to play in right now and I’m kind of searching for um what

How I want to start representing this type of information I want to do shorts you know so I want to be in that 10 to 15 second you know category and of course that video I posted yesterday is somewhere in the 40c category you can go 60 seconds is okay too

Um so so on Facebook Instagram YouTube if people were to search Ed AEL Solutions that’s that’s how they’re going to find your videos that’s how they going to find your content right that’s right yeah yeah and and I mean all this stuff that we’re talking about I’m sure you’ve already covered because

You’ve been doing that like you said for years now so you have you know in in those um in those Medias you’ve had a database of different videos on different topics uh different problems solutions to go with those problems um that people can go you know keep in mind

Um we started producing videos at Dave Wilson before we could embed them into um the internet that wasn’t available to us when YouTube came around I mean we just I mean came right up and got on YouTube right away and I think uh I challenged my staff to produce a hundred

Videos that first year and my staff just kind of huh what but man we we I mean we put down a ton of videos and we really experimented a lot with videos you know at Dave Wilson um myself and and Tom Spelman and um and Mike Tomlinson you

Know we experimented a whole bunch and had a ball and we doing stuff that nobody else was doing at the time so there’s a lot of you know my my Productions um are there as soon as I hired Tom Tom’s a a one pick wonder and

So I was able to get out from in front of the camera and uh and Tom’s done such a wonderful job through the years yeah yeah hey Ed back to uh quickly back to Idaho Rick wants to know if there’s any new varieties of fruit trees that you really really

Like well I’ll tell you I’ll give you a couple for Idaho that I think you know that should be you know tried up there um and one of them is probably going to be a little bit more difficult to get now that virtual nursery’s you know bowed out I’m doing my best

To get those nurse these wonderful bral Nursery varieties um into the hands of a popular grower and I can’t say who right now but um it’s somebody that’ll be able to get them networked into the industry but two that I’d recommend for Idaho would be two Apple varieties and um one

Would be the ginger gold um which I’ve always found to be a wonderful yellow delicious type apple and the other one is the King David which is um an Arkansas black on steroids um has all the qualities of Arkansas black but you can eat it directly off the tree without

Having to wonder whether or not your bite will sacrifice your Thief now I’m I’m wondering if um I I think I talked to Tom about that and I think he told me that King David would even grow in Southern California or am I misremembering that no no it will Tom

Tested all those down at UC Irvine and um uh and I think King David was amongst those um King David’s an old apple right you know and of course uh Ginger gold goes back quite a way as well I I love people who tell me oh yeah I’ve I’ve

Tried that Ginger gold it’s wonderful um I can taste the ginger in it well actually it’s named after the guy who discovered its wife shame on you yeah really you know half you know what is it that they say you know most of taste is your eyes and

Uh you know your mind already you know so yeah going into it how are we doing John are we caught up it’s it’s still a wonderful Apple uh Lisa mentioned uh that people should try Four Winds Nursery because they ship and and uh I I’ve bought a lot

Of stuff from Four Winds a lot of cool variety of stuff Four Winds is great and you know they’ve done a wonderful job with their deciduous program and keep in mind that you know they’re one of the few citus nurseries that actually ship still as well with Nursery closing its

Retail down completely that took another Citrus supplier and avocado supplier um out of the line or out of the market e-commerce wise and also decidous fruit trees you know um they they do Four Winds does a great job with them yeah Carolyn Tucson wants to uh know uh I

Guess any mulch would be good but she wants to know if is there a particularly good mulch for Tucson Tucson needs mulch tremendously okay let’s just put it emphasize that and the fact is is that I would look for whatever the recommended mulches are there there in your local

Retail Nursery because keep in mind that that’s going to be a resource that is whatever is available like I would imagine that there’s some bark mulches that are probably available there yeah and like you mentioned Tucson needs it for sure um definitely you know and and

And the thing you know you know when you were talking about how uh it’s not common here in California but other places it is and I was thinking well maybe it’s because you know those places always had excess amounts of mulch so they were it was just readily available

And California did not but I mean here in California I mean we have a a Landfill close by at here in San Diego that as a resident you can drive up and load up for free and get your own mulch and you know there’s no shortage of

Those piles whenever I drive by them so there’s plenty of mulch you know local to our area you know one of the problems with the the municipal M or the municipal compost offerings was it went through maybe about oh I’d say 20 years of real um development and there was a

Lot of times when you’d get you know compost from those those um facilities and it would come out to be a disaster but I can tell you that I know that the quality of people that they’re bringing in to be able to run those programs has improved and that’s what needed to

Improve needed that people to know what they were doing definitely hey Ed we are going to take um h a break again right now when we get back we’ll wrap up chatting with Ed liveo with Ed able Solutions and uh you know um yeah when

We get back from the break you beta and two more segments coming up still time for some of your questions but we all going to wrap things up with that as tiger mentioned when we return here Garden America John bascar tiger palifox I’m Brian main welcome once again thank

You for tuning in and supporting your friends right here on Garden America okay back with Garden America two more segments to go thank you for joining us thank you for tuning in covering a lot of topics this morning and trying to get to as many of your questions and

Comments as possible on Facebook live yeah and Ed I just want to thank you for joining us on the our first show of the year for 2024 y uh lots of great information lots of uh uh great new knowledge and just uh experience for people that you know are kind of going

Into the fruit tree world right now whether they have trees planted or whether they’re looking for new trees um you know good luck to you and and your Ventures and you know we’ll make sure to be keeping in touch over the Year also keep track of of what you’re up to get

Get them back to at some point as well yeah and you know if you’re available in uh April Ed to you know you should go to Costa Rica with us you can take a look at the coffee plantations and all the fruit that’ll be around the time my next

Uh grandchild’s born so oh exciting I’ll be uh I’ll be lapping that up good good well you’ll enjoy that for sure absolutely we’ll send you photos but um yeah we’ll post a link to Ed’s uh contact information there um so people can look at his videos and reach out to

Ed if they have any questions or follow him for his um seminars and where he’s going to be hey tell everybody hi over there at Annie’s forest and have a good time well do that thank you very much bet have a great new year thank you we do thank you Ed liveo

Bye okay there we go huh just about the entire show but he makes the segments go by very quickly yeah and Sparks a lot of interest as we look at our numbers this morning on Facebook live uh a lot of people apparently feel the same way good

Information hey our buddy Dale wants to know what the fastest growing tree in the world is oh wow uh we could have asked dead that too but it’s definitely not a fruit tree no but uh eucalyptus I think would have to be up there what about bamboo they’re

Not really not really a tree per considered a grass yeah it is a grass but eucalyptus grandis can grow up to 20 feet a year yeah that’s pretty fast and then in cold countries uh ianthus uh called The Tree Of Heaven mhm or it’s a weed tree really right a

Really weak wooded isn’t it kind of considered invasive in some areas yeah comes up from seed everywhere and and uh in back in the midwest because of the winter uh ice and snowstorms the branches break how fast does kelp grow in a year John well that’s not Tre why

Do you why do you keep saying things that aren’t trees because when you talk about the fastest growing anything then my mind wanders off to other things in in the world of think kelp is quick I I do think kelp is is considered the fastest growing anything plant yeah

Plant yeah plant that’s the word plant you know exactly um kelp it does grow very quickly over you know short period of time but um you know the other thing you know with eucalyptus and you mentioned them is you know the reason why um they they might not have they

They found they grow the fastest too is when you just start throwing water on them they grow so quick because a lot of the areas where they’re native to they were not heavy water areas so when they got rain they grew but then they would go through drought periods for long

Periods of time they would get rain and then they would grow most almost all the eucalyptus come from Australia right and so when they started putting him into Landscapes where they started actually watering these they were like wait a minute yeah these these I mean look at

Hawaii that rainbow bark is it rainbow bark is that what it’s called the the one right yeah that’s um eucalyptus dupta yeah I mean that one I just mentioned that all they were all Native to Australia well that one happens to be native to the Philippines but which is

More going to be more like a Hawaii type climate and they grow ridiculously quick because they have endless amounts of water where they’re native to right most beautiful tree ever I think they’re absolutely gorgeous right bark it’s rainbow yeah they um what’s the one that they’re having the problem with there

Though the in Hawaii yeah I don’t know I don’t know the one that’s invasive and and probably grows three times the fast as fast as the rainb because they have so much water and they’re just like I think it might be globulous oh okay that

Could be the one yeah but you know um yeah so eucalyptus you know are very fast growing trees so to answer short I think that eucalyptus would be considered the fastest because the other one that you mentioned in the colder climate grows quickly but it also

Doesn’t grow at all in the win in the winter time where Eucalyptus in the right climate it’s you know always growing um and then that’s why you don’t see any eucalyptus Bon say that’s true but but you would be interesting you’d be I mean just coming from San Diego and

We see it so often they their root structure is just just horrible in the sense that they just fall over so easily and you these trees these massive trees 60 80 feet tall you would think that it would have a better root structure to support such a huge tree and it falls

Over and then you look at it and nothing was holding it up it’s amazing yeah we’ve we have nothing but Eucalyptus in our area yeah but where you live it’s very much we used right next to the unit to our house and they finally took it

Out yeah but yeah it was that thing was dropped just it was messy too I was always cleaning up after it yeah and they they get a bug called a lurp which is a little bug Sid right yeah and it has like a little shell that it forms on

The leaf and they’re just super messy because aside from the foliage dropping and the flower dropping that that also is kind of like when you have aphids where they just drop the the and they get the Honeydew yes off of it too yeah do you know when your dad and I uh

Started out in the nursery business in California everyone planted eucalyptus because there were no pests whatsoever really yeah and the reason was all Eucalyptus in California were planted from seed so if you went to Australia you’d see every leaf on the tree would be chewed up by something but there were

No pests in California Native pests that would attack eucalyptus but you know then because of trains and boats and planes trains not so much not from here to Australia right but boats and planes you know ended up bringing a lot of that stuff those insects over here and now

All almost all the eucalyptus get eaten by something and since we don’t have the natural predator of koala bears you know I mean right it just runs rampid right didn’t you want to taste koala bear at one time you wondered what they taste say that over the air

No never wanted to taste koala koala my daughter would have my head yeah right she loves every animal uh talking about fast growing trees Dale was talking about the empress tree uh paulonia MH which is really pretty flowers but again I’m one of those weak

Wooded trees um it does grow fast but it doesn’t grow as fast as eucalyptus yeah but uh that brings up a good point though is it also is weak wooded so usually trees that grow fast are going to be have weak wood yeah I mean you you

Know compare it to Redwoods Oaks very slow growing and very St very strong very very you know yeah strong trees hardwood trees yeah Brian take a trip down memory lane Dale wanted to know when we started on the radio so going back with Bruce and Sharon well I I started personally in

1998 at the old building okay so that’s that was Garden Compass right that was or was it over the headge no that was um though that was West Coast Garden line oh yeah I joined when it was me just me and Bruce and it was West Coast Garden

Line and I was the producer and then is Bruce got uh ill Sharon and I joined and do you remember when that Bruce wasn’t yet remember that that they wanted to expand the show and and so you would fill in for Bruce now and then with me

Right that was West Coast Garden right and then they talked about expanding the show and um hiring you know hosts or whatever to do it because they wanted to get into Los Angeles and that’s when it became Garden Compass right around that time so but do you remember how long ago

That was 2000 maybe 2000 but I’d say 20 20 years ago is a safe bet TimeWise okay I know that Sharon and I came on CU Bruce was the beginning stages Parkinson and he I think he was with us for probably three or four years right uh

All of us together no but longer than that really absolutely because remember back in 2010 we went up to um northern California we did a remote from uh oh boy I forget the the town but they had the was it the pean farm behind us we

Stayed at a bed and breakfast and we were listening Bruce and I were listening or Durham yeah one of those places exactly Bruce and I were listening to the Aztec game on the radio when they went to the Sweet 16 and that was 2010 so I’d say Bruce was with us a

Good 15 years H and then me I mean what have I well we picked you up the side of the road right you were hitchiking that was what four years ago four years ago four yeah more more time has flown by we’ve got to take a break we’ve got uh

One more segment coming up as we do stroll down memory lane thank you for tuning in we’ve got more Garden America coming up right after these messages on bis talk radio all right we are back boy those of you tuned in on bis talk radio those on Facebook live we really appreciate your

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And the rest of you thank you so much but again ferum thank you for 2024 uh you know Ed was talking about the ginger gold apple and Gina said that you can order it online from Stark Brothers Stark Brothers that’s a good resource for yeah foru fruit trees yeah as well you

Know he mentioned Four Four Winds right Four Winds yeah four wind C feel like there there’s also a Seasons isn’t there like a Four Seasons Nursery or something no that’s a hotel that’s a hotel chain I’m going State the Four Seasons you know four wins for citrus

But I also if I remember correctly I don’t know sometimes they have rules about where they can ship but um Stark Brothers for deciduous trees wonderful resource lots of varieties um really neat stuff as well so hey do you recall last year you you gave me what I think

It’s called a celery plant celery it looks like because it just looks like celery and it’s it’s in a small pot and it did well then it was kind of getting a little brown and was it celery or was it Zio culus um I don’t know I should take a

Picture of it but very well the the recent rain we’ve had perked up a lot of uh a lot of my plant oh yeah yeah me too you know as far as that goes so you know that’s why you know I mentioned we were talking about the mulch you know I

Dropped down mulch I think a month ago and now with the rain and everything just things are taken off and I haven’t done anything you know no fertilization no additional irrigation just John do you remember the Seinfield episode where Kramer decided to put a little garden

Outside his his door and he had a little bell ding-ding and just like he was outside and he brought it indoor plant Jerry comes by and talks about you know looks pretty good and Kramer says oh you’ve got a mulch you got mul you’ve got to mulch is that the one where he

Had a hose yes out there yes and it was like he was pretending like he was outside and he had a a backyard or a front yard but the line you’ve got a mulch hey uh Rick wants to know the best uh pruning method for fruit trees if you

Look at some of Ed’s videos online summer pruning uh is the best to keep them down you know also Tom Spelman but Tom and Ed came up with Summer pruning and said there really is no reason to have a fruit tree over 8 feet tall yeah you can

Keep your fruit tree yeah within picking distance me unless you’re trying to block your neighbor yeah you’re right but I think a lot of people just let it let it grow let it grow let it grow let it grow but yeah you can you can top those and

Keep them within a distance that’s easy to maintain yeah I mean that’s the thing is now when you grow when you drive through the valley and you see the Orchards there all their fruit trees are also short because like you mentioned picking all that they don’t let them

Grow to large trees I mean I’m I’m shocked sometimes I’ll be driving through the valley and there’ll be a full you know acres and Acres of an orchard and it seems like the trees are only six feet tall right you they and they’re shaped kind of like a V like an

Upside down umbrella I’ve got my Citrus slowly coming to fruition beginning to turn yellow now a little bit Yeah my oranges are just orange but they’re definitely not right not ready yet yeah the um short trees I was surprised that they were doing that with avocados

Now oh yeah yeah well that was a picking avocados is a problem right I mean they grow them on those hillsides and these massive trees and you know when I first came to California and uh we looked at all the avocados on the hillsides you

Were just like what is this it was like cuz the rule was or the the idea back then was if you can dig a hole you can plant the avocado and they put them on the hillsides and and I was just wondering how in the world do they pick

Them like do they wait for an earthquake and then they roll down the hill you pick them up down there yeah um but uh part of that was because of root rot now they have disease resistant root stocks right yeah yeah but root rot was a huge problem in avocados

And also I mean because of where they were I mean Frost too well that’s why they used the hillside yeah didn’t they want to plant them on the slope so that way they would never they would never plant them in the valley you didn’t you didn’t drive

Through Fall Brook and see them in The Valleys you all you saw them all the mountains all through Fall Brook and I think that they would put more cold hard hearty varieties towards the bottom like zutanos and bacons and then would be up towards the top makes sense but yeah I

Mean you know Frost and then the root Rod issues for avocados um it’s I I get why we’re not seeing them as much as we used to but it’s kind of a bummer that we’re we’re um losing that crop here in San Diego area Rick uh wants to know if

Nuos is closed oh and if so is anyone going to continue their legacy I I think this is their last year was didn’t we talk about that yeah like this being their last year yeah and no one will continue their legacy yeah that I’m aware of I think the closest person to

Them was a grower called ABC Nursery but I think they just they would just take from nuos they wouldn’t develop anything right they didn’t do any breeding maybe maybe Monrovia might be doing some I don’t know maybe yeah I worked on a program with Monrovia Nursery where we brought in Satsuki aelas from

Japan and then grew them uh to introduce them to the Southern California Market the I think the the stock came from miniature plant kingdom do you remember them yeah he made several trips to Japan collected uh all kinds of varieties of Satsuki aelas and that’s one of the few places you can buy

Satsuki is new cosos yeah yeah um okay gentlemen just about a minute and that’ll uh put the ribbon around this new show the first show for 2024 yeah looking forward to good things happening in the new year you know have our trip in April right um go to our website Garden america.com

Yeah when should we do our maybe in February we’ll do a remote broadcast we’ll figure it out yeah we’ll head it’s still going to be cold so we’ll have to bring jackets obviously go out or unless we you know do it somewhere tropical someplace tropical all right John have a

Good weekend I know you’re busy a lot of things happening congratulations on the new development at your house what new development are you talking about me planting up all my seedlings row seedlings new development you know I’m so excited to see what they’re going to look like this spring

Because you know when they’re in those little seed pots they can only get so high and you get a just get an idea of what the color is going to be you really can’t see the FL well thank you so much we do appreciate it we’re back again

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