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When America went into Vietnam, it didn’t just send Skyraiders for Close Air Support against the Vietcong in counter-insurgency (COIN) operations. A fully fledged counter-insurgency program was launched which included the development of a new aircraft: the OV-10 Bronco. At least before the priorities shifted again.
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00:29 – Where The Trouble Began
01:00 – Counter-Insurgency (COIN Aviation)
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04:09 – New Wars, Old Aircraft?
05:41 – COIN Program
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14:51 – COIN program ‘fails’
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47 Comments
I have to admit that I have gone over 60 years, and hope to go at least another 20, without expecting to ever hear the phrase "violent cow/ground interface".
After that, I don't care what I hear.
A related topic for another video – Operation Firedog – the RAF in Malaya 1948 to 1960
Another informative video as always Chris. One is always under the impression that COIN aircraft saw more extensive use in Vietnam than they really did.
11:05 Sooo would you call it ground beef??
As a french, and an aviation fan, regarding the beginning of the COINS operations in the french army i would strongly suggest the book "L’Aéronautique navale en Indochine" (yep in french…) because it explain very well the improvised then little by little organized use of aircrafts in this role.
If you need any help with French documents don't hesitate to ask, i can translate regular and technical documents.
Cary on the good work, especially giving us the opportunity to explore rabbit holes that are fascinating!
That's how it always starts, you buy one book, and in one year you have a library, in another year you need another bookcase, and on it goes.
You have an excellent and healthy curiosity, which will send you to all corners of learning.
Superb content. Thank you.
I have a feeling of reja vu. It's like deja vu but in the opposite direction, ie instead of seeing this before it's more I will see this again.
The Douglas Skyraiders were such an immense aircraft. I can't think of another single engine prop plane that was so large.
I like the new set. Clever
i wish to request that you could talk about the MAULER am-1, you seemed to be interest on the skyraider how about you could talk about one its predecessors
I love the ov10.. seen one at a airshow in cali that we drove past in 2014… so FOOKING loud
Christoph, thank you for another entertaining and informative video. I suspect that you are borrowing from The Bloke and Millennium 7* 😊! Keep it up. I will have to buy the Friedman book. You are definitely a bad influence, as I have already bought the second and third black books; and The Secret Horsepower Race 😁! Cheers from NZ🇳🇿.
A side path of your rabbit hole would be some of the stories of CSAR and it’s evolution. The US Air Force basically stopped everything when I pilot went down in their efforts to rescue him. The Boxer 22 and Wolf 06 SARs had over 300 sorties each flown over 2 days. Heroisms like Skyraiders purposely “trolling for fire” where the were looking to get fired on to test if the AA had been suppressed enough to bring in helicopters who would then hover over the survivor.
Topic is close to home…I worked U-28s for a while. Keep up the interesting assessments!
Interesting stuff! Also, dude, get some sleep…
The french air force ( and navy) used a lot of arcraft types during the Indochine war, just because the armies were reconstructing and used everythig they could, from Uk and Us fighters ( spits, mosquitos, bearcats, corsairs…) To german captured/ licence constructed aircrafts( ju52, siebel si 204, fi156…) . The next warcwas also a decolonisation war in Algeria(1954-1962), many ofvthevprevious aircraft were used, like B26 invaders, T28,or T6, replaced by DH vampires, f100 super sabre, and then skyraiders too, using MG, canons, bombs, rockets or napalm (called "special tanks" )
I used to be a fan of this channel , but there’s just too many ads nowadays , my man became too much of a salesman 😢
The Rhodesians were the masters of COIN warfare. Look up "The Rhodesian Bush War" if you want to understand how to perform effectively in COIN operations.
Great vid. New sub! Does using JN4s against Pancho Villa count as COIN? What about the US Army using MB1 Bombers for FAC against coal miners on strike?
I can't believe the US didn't then spend millions of dollars to design a cow parachute. Another great video. Nice book to order for myself for Christmas.
time for a better mic
What about the various planes used for the Puff operations such as the c-119, c-130 etc. I saw and heard them while I was with the 4 Div. from 1968-69. Would they not be considered COIN?
any time vietnam is mentioned I just get flashbacks to the a certain leak video website with a woman holding her baby crying, both with 3rd degree fatal napalm burns all over. Thanks war.
You failed to really talk about the A37, which was an outstanding COIN weapons system, and is still in use today.
The "paracow" aparently proved a dead end, in the Evolution of dairy Farming🤔
oh ya COIN is a rabbit hole in vietnam, basically anything and everything as long as someone could think it could be helpful. the vietnam section of the US airforce museum is filled with all sorts of weirdly outdated (for 70s) aircraft, weaponized civilian planes, and other odd planes
USA terrorism, nothing else !! How the biggest terrorist country ever existed have attacked a farmers country, and was defeated by those farmers….sweet remember USA defeat in Vietnam, abandoning US embassg shamefully…..the USA's full of poor people, so they put them an uniform, a R15, and send them kill poors around the earth, a worker should sleep in his car (when he have one), the military industrial corporation profite a lot of their cheap personnel
You should do a collab with Joel Haver.
Great video as always. I LOVE the end, you are becoming a true professional. 🙂
Someone probably already noted this: at 1:51, the image of the planes is reversed. I understand you might not want to violate the 180 degree rule in editing sequences, but still: the letters on the planes are clearly backwards. Otherwise, as always, excellent, companionable and fascinating work. So thanks, and keep 'em coming.
Battlestar Galactica reference was well recieved. 🙂 Great video all around, thank you. I have a soft spot for Skyraiders as well and have read about how they were also used on a ridiculously long nuclear bomb equipped missions for carriers. Single engine, WW2 heritage aircraft flying metres above the see level, having less the half meter between the bomb and the deck when landing, and having to deliver the nuke "over the shoulder" in a final climb to have at leas some chance of escaping the blast radius… Crazy stuff… And then you also read about Spad delivering the toilet bomb… 😀
My father worked as a sentry at udorn Air base (where I work now) and air America was based here. They had AC-47 and AC-119s here as well as F101s and F-4s.
Now we have alpha jets and F-5s. Sometimes F-16s here
Bird Dog moment xd
Full circle on prop aircraft? A-1 Spad to current A-29 Embraer EMB 314 Super Tucano. OV-10's VMO squadrons, these were fun to watch while USMC flew in the 80's and 90's.
I think something a lot of people seem to forget is that the Viet Cong practically didn't exist after Tet. They were not a combat effective force again until after we'd already left. We were no longer fighting guerillas, rather, we now fought much better trained and equipped regular troops. All of our airstrikes on northern troops thus had to face sams and cannon AA positions. Our COIN planes had no place in this more conventional conflict, which is part of why they were phased out so early.
Great content. Very interesting and love your sense of humor. Thank you.
2:16 What?!?
Interestingly, two book recommendations from me deleted?! Don't ask for them, if you don't want any recommendations. Or are YouTube's algorithms randomly deleting comments from your comments section?
I would rather have a dozen Sky Raiders supporting me in the J, than one Wart hog at the same price.
gonna fall asleep to this. thanks
Wo bekommt man dieses wunderschöne Tornado Poster, dass im Hintergrund an der Wand hängt ?
You forgot to mention that the gulf of Tonkin 'incident' was a false ruse by the US to have a excuse to escalate their operations
Portugal used Fiat G 91, F 84 thunderjet, T 6 Harvard, and Do 27 as COIN aviation and Allouette lll 20mm autocanom as fire suport on Airborne operations during the colonial war on Angola ,Moçambique and Guinea-Bissau
In 1961 FAP (portuguese air force) use PV 2 Harpoon in ground bombardment in the insurrecional early days on northern Angola .its true, ASW airplanes used whitout proper aiming devices for that job.soon they are replaced ,by the way im using my Daughter iPhone ,i Lost mine 😁
Gulf of Tonkin incident was contrived to get USA involved directly.
The Vietnam War was a "special war" that became a "limited war".