What happens when your garden doesn’t go as planned despite your best efforts? I thought I planned my garden perfectly, but it was a bad garden design. Now, I have to troubleshoot my mistake. Learn how I’m going to fix my most recent garden mistake.
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0:00 Good Gardeners VS Great Gardeners
1:17 My Bold Garden Plan
4:35 When Garden Planning And Design Fails
7:13 Troubleshooting The Problem
10:16 The Mistake That’s Hurting My Fruit Trees
12:57 Cutting Down The Tree Canopy
14:18 Analysis And Observations
16:59 Adventures With Dale
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If you want to be successful in gardening, one of the most important things you must do is to have a plan in place before you do anything. That’s why I’ve spent so much time over the years planning out every single aspect of what I’m going to do in my yard and garden before I do it. Every single square foot of my yard, my garden, my fruit trees, my landscaping, that has all been pre-planned because I’ve wanted to do everything possible to guarantee my success before I do anything. But sometimes, no matter how hard we try, things just don’t go according to plan. I have a bit of a mess on my hands because what I designed to happen didn’t. If you’re new to the channel, please subscribe. Hit the bell for notifications, and check out my Amazon store and Spreadshop links in the video description for everything I use in my garden and awesome custom apparel and gear. Being a truly great and successful gardener can be broken into thirds. That first third is proper planning and design. The second third is actually putting in the work. But the third third, well, that is picking up the pieces and troubleshooting, rolling with the punches when despite your great design and all of your hard work, things did not go according to plan. A lot of times it’s this third that really sets apart the great and successful gardeners from just the average or the mediocre. Back in 2017, I moved from Pennsylvania to the southeastern coast of North Carolina, zone 8, just outside of the Wilmington area. And when I did this, I knew from the get-go that I wanted to be able to grow lots of citrus and things like an avocado tree in ground. And back in those days, it was virtually unheard of to grow these types of plants in ground because it’s just too cold where I live. Well, I did not let that stop me. I I found myself really cold hearty varieties of citrus and avocados. I planted them in ground. I developed my own unique cold protection techniques and I had tremendous amount of success. Over the past decade, I have grown literally hundreds of pounds of citrus in ground as well as probably have been the first person to successfully grow and harvest avocados in ground long term here in North Carolina. And I’m very proud of that. So, because Dale and I had so much success growing our own citrus in ground here in North Carolina, we decided we wanted to double down. We wanted to not just grow the trees that you see here, which have been very fruitful. We wanted to grow them all over our yard. So, I decided that I was going to grow a cold hearty citrus hedge in the rear of my property, which would be probably one of the first in the entire state of North Carolina. So, what I did was I sourced cold hearty citrus varieties. And I started out with three individual plants. They were the caracara red naval orange, the Maywa kumquat which is a sweet kumquat and the brown select satsuma which is a cold hearty mandarin orange that is an earlier version basically of the oari satsuma that I’m growing in the front of my backyard up against the house wall. And I planted these trees in ground about 4 years ago and they have grown and thrived ever since. And since then, I have slowly expanded this citrus hedge. Now, I have a marorrow blood orange that I’m growing in ground. And I also have a Eustace lime quat that you see right here. This has been in ground for 2 years. This has been in ground for one year. So now I have five varieties of citrus that are growing and thriving in my rear property. But to be clear, I picked the rear property to grow this citrus hedge for a very specific reason. My original citrus trees are growing up along the south wall of my house because the south wall of my house is brick. It absorbs the sunlight throughout the day and radiates it back throughout the night and it also blocks the cold north wind here in the northern hemisphere. So, it’s the warmest spot in my yard and garden to grow the citrus. It was a big microclimate advantage. Well, one thing that I noticed over the years was here in my rear property. This is where I have something of a tree canopy. And I noticed that when I would get a light to moderate frost in my yard, the frost line would stop somewhere around here. And the canopy right here would stop the frost. It wouldn’t frost in this area right here. So, I thought, “Wow, that would be perfect to grow cold hearty citrus because it’s still too cold where I’m at to grow them out in the open.” So, this little protected microclimate here would help the citrus along. And for the first couple of years, this plan went off without a hitch. It was a dream plan. In fact, none of my trees ever suffered any kind of cold damage as they worked their way through the first couple of winters, which is the winters where they are the most vulnerable to cold when they’re small and they haven’t quite taken root. And every year I was being rewarded with big citrus blooms. These little tiny citrus trees, they were bearing fruit. I got caracara red navl oranges that very first year. The kumquat has been a pretty good producer, giving me two harvests a year, and every year the Brown Select Satsuma was punching above its weight and giving me nice harvests of oranges despite its small size. However, that success was short-lived. While my citrus trees have thrived in terms of being healthy and not taking any kind of cold damage, the past 2 years have been a bust when it comes to fruit production. This is my four-year-old Caracara red navl orange. There are no oranges at all on this tree. Zero. I got no flowers and no fruit. My Maywa Kumquat, on the other hand, well, this is doing pretty well. This is covered in fruit and I usually get two blooms a year on it. I’ll get um two harvests. So, as you can see, there is a fair amount of fruit on this tree. I’m pretty happy with its overall productivity. However, the tree itself, this is a 4-year-old tree, and I can’t believe how small it is. It has been a very slow grower, almost stunted. My brown select Satsuma is truly heartbreaking. This tree has been a pretty consistent producer, and this is the first year ever where it has absolutely no fruit on it. It did not flower at all for me this year. My Marorrow Blood Orange has only one cluster of fruit on it. You can see that cluster of fruit here. There are four oranges on it that are just beginning to ripen. This is a later orange that tends to ripen on you at some point in January and February. And my Eustace lime quat has been in ground for only a year. However, it does have a couple of fruits on it. Look, we have two little fruits right there. Looking pretty good. So what we see right here is that the two fruit trees that have kumquat in its lineage and have very small fruits, well they have a bit of a harvest on them. But the ones that actually produce large oranges, well, they have almost nothing. The caracara has nothing. The brown select satsuma has nothing. And our blood orange has a lousy four oranges on it. So three fruit trees are giving me a grand total of four oranges. And that’s just unacceptable. So this is where we have to start troubleshooting. This is what really separates the mediocre gardeners from the great gardeners. When things don’t go according to plan, can we fix it? Can we troubleshoot that problem? So, I immediately got to thinking, well, maybe it’s just an environmental thing because this year, my really great producing citrus trees all kind of had a lousy harvest. And I tie that to the horrible winter that we had. We had the coldest January that I ever experienced in the eight years that I’ve lived here with five nights in the teens, three to four inches of ice and snow and all of these citrus trees and my avocado tree had to stay covered through the entire month of January. So my hypothesis was the reason why I had a poor citrus bloom on these trees this year is simply because they were covered too long. They are evergreen trees. They need to absorb all of that solar energy to make plant food for the new bloom in the spring. So, because it was just such a bad winter and they were covered so long, they just didn’t get all of the plant food that they needed to make that big bloom. And that explains why I’m having an off year with my citrus. So, it’s really tempting to say that must also be the reason why I’m having such poor productivity with the rear citrus hedge in the back of my garden. But then I remembered something else. All of these citrus trees also had a pretty lousy go last year as well. They had a below average harvest, way less than they had the prior year and the year before that when they were only a year old. When something happens once, it’s a fluke. But if something happens two times, it starts turning into a pattern. So, while my Oari citrus tree is having an off year this year, that would be classified as a fluke and easily explained by the horrifically bad winter we had. You see, last year this thing was absolutely loaded with fruit. I had my biggest harvest ever. At least 150 to 200 oranges. This tree was just overwhelmed by the fruit load. It was out of control. Same thing with this meerle lemon tree right here. This year it only has about two dozen lemons on it. But again, this is easily explained away by that horrifically bad winter and all of the time it spent under covers. You see, every year before this, this myerlemon tree was overwhelmed with fruit. In fact, last year once again, it had its biggest harvest ever. It had hundreds of lemons on it. It was absolutely overwhelmed to the point where it was practically pulling the tree over. So, it’s not a big deal to me that when we have an epically bad winter, our trees suddenly have one off year when the norm is to produce like mad. And that is why the bad year hypothesis completely falls apart. Sure, we could explain away the poor production this year because we had an epically bad winter the previous year, but that doesn’t explain why I also had the same poor production last year where really only the small fruited kumquat was able to muster the energy to fruit when my other citrus trees had by far the biggest harvest they ever had. Something environmental must be at play. And I think I figured it out. I think I know what the problem is. It’s this darn shed. You see, I had this shed built two years ago and I had it placed here in the middle of my yard because, well, that was the best spot for it where it wouldn’t be in the way of things. But I think that shed has completely shaded out all of these citrus trees in the winter time. So, let me show you how my yard works. In the center of my camera right here, that is where the sun rises. That is the east. The ocean is right over there. And then over the course of the day, it tracks along kind of like this until it eventually goes behind my fence. And then it gets blocked by the trees that you see right here. And then you can see the sun right there. That is where it’s setting. We are about 2 hours away from the sunset. And that is where my citrus trees are. So, it would used to be that my citrus hedge got the bulk of its solar energy when the sun would rise in the east because that is a straight shot over to the citrus trees. But right now, I have this shed in the way. So, the shed is casting shade on those citrus trees, particularly during the winter when the sun is low in the sky. So, these poor citrus trees are no longer getting the sunlight that they were used to. And I think that is why they’re not really blooming anymore. Now, citrus are a native understory tree. They’re a naturally semi-dwarfing tree, so they’re used to growing under the protection of shade canopies of taller trees and absorbing dappled light. So, in terms of health, having them grow underneath a forest canopy is a really good thing, but not so much in terms of fruit production. Remember, the goal of every single plant is to reproduce, to make seed to spread to another generation. And these citrus trees, well, in order to do that, they only have to produce a handful of fruits. They don’t need to be super abundant. And as a human, I want them to be. So, it is clear that they are not getting enough sunlight to put on a big crop now because of the shed and the dappled light condition overhead. So, this once protective forest canopy is now working against me. And this explains why the small fruited trees like the kumquats and that lime quat, well, they’re able to flower because they don’t need as much solar energy, but the bigger oranges to make those big fruits, well, I think they’re starving of plant food. And that is only amplified in the winter months when the sun is low in the sky and the days are short. So, they’re not getting enough sunlight absorption in the winter for them to put on the flowers that they need to put on in March, April, and May. So, I’m going to thin out this canopy above my citrus trees, this lower canopy right here, in an attempt to get them more direct solar energy. And to do that, I’m going to use my very trusty Japanese small hands saw. And I’m going to do this in lifts. I’m going to start far out on the branch and I’m going to cut them in pieces because I don’t want to cut this whole big branch at once. If I do that, I actually risk it falling and hitting the ladder and me falling or something like that. So, it’s very important that you do this in waves, in little tiny successive pieces to be as safe as possible. And wow, I can already tell a massive difference in this space. I had all of those branches that were hanging over, shading out those citrus, and now everything is so much brighter, so much lighter. I got rid of all that nasty debris falling from the sky. That whole ugly tree was cut down. And now I have just such a better, clearer view of all of the citrus plants underneath. And that being said, I still have plenty of forest canopy above to give my citrus trees plenty of frost protection. So removing those lower limbs aren’t going to do anything negative, I don’t think. In fact, I may have to buy one of those long-handled pruners and remove some more of these branches that may be hanging down and blocking a little bit more sunlight than I otherwise wish they would. So again, right away, there is a monster difference in this open area. It’s so much more free flowing. I can breathe so much more easily. I think I’m going to get more sunlight penetration now that I don’t have those pesky branches that were hanging over right about here. Now, is this going to be enough of thinning the canopy to make up for the difference of the shed and how much light that is blocking? I don’t really know the answer to that question. But if I’m able to give my citrus trees another 30 to 60 minutes of light every single day and then that adds up over all of November, December, January, February, March, April, you know, six additional months where it can get an extra half an hour to hour of sunlight, that’s going to add up into hundreds of hours of additional sunlight. At least 100. So that’s better than nothing. It’s going to give my trees a fighting chance and a better chance of having a good flower next year. So stay tuned. We will see if this method worked. And as for all the branches that we cut down, we are going to take our pruning shears and saws and we’re going to cut them in little pieces and mulch them around the bottoms of all of our trees. We don’t want to let any of this good organic matter go to waste. So if you’re having problems in your yard and garden with your plants and you think something is wrong, you don’t have to accept it to be. So start troubleshooting. If you get thinking, chances are you will come up with some reasons why things aren’t working out and you can do something about it. Do I know 100% for a fact that all of the pruning that I just did is going to make these citrus trees return to their former glory? No. It’s possible I didn’t thin enough. But I am pretty confident this is the cause of most of my problems and that this will help to some degree. And this is the path of becoming a better gardener. It’s trying new things and trying to solve problems. If you don’t get it right the first time, don’t worry about it. We have plenty more chances to get it right down the road. The important thing is to never give up and to never stop trying to be better. So everybody, I sure hope you found this video helpful. If you did, please make sure to hit the like button, subscribe to the channel, and please ring the notification bell so you’re notified when I release more videos like these. If you’re curious about any of the products that I featured in this video, like this awesome pruning saw, I’ll place direct links down in the video description for your convenience. For everything else I use in my yard and garden in real life, that is all linked in my Amazon storefront. So, expand the video description, click on the Amazon storefront link, you’ll see everything I use in real life. And while you’re down there, check out my new website, the millennialger.com, for all things gardening and custom merch to support my channel. Thank you all so much for watching and I hope to see all of you again on the next video. Well, it’s the 15th of the month and that means it is time to give Dale his monthly heartworm preventative. When we worked for the shelter, it was astounding how many dogs would come in with heartworms. More than half. Because all you need to get a heartworm is to be bitten by a single mosquito and you can get the parasites. Do not believe people that say things like these these antiparasitics are dangerous to dogs. They absolutely are not. They are cheap. The side effect profiles super low. And if your dog gets heartworms, it’s an absolute nightmare to them because the the heartworms, they eat holes in the heart. So, you have to basically put your dog in solitary confinement for months. They can’t go for walks. They can’t play because if they get their heart rate up, they could have a heart attack and die. And we’ve lost so many dogs because of nasty old fartworms. So, one of the best things you can do for your precious pup is to get them on an incredibly safe, effective, and cheap antiparasitic for heartworms. It’s so important, right, buddy? We love you. We love you, Mr. Handsome.

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0:00 Good Gardeners VS Great Gardeners
1:17 My Bold Garden Plan
4:35 When Garden Planning And Design Fails
7:13 Troubleshooting The Problem
10:16 The Mistake That's Hurting My Fruit Trees
12:57 Cutting Down The Tree Canopy
14:18 Analysis And Observations
16:59 Adventures With Dale
hi i'm in okeana ohio, i have a small green house, and i also have owari mandarin tree ,lots of various citrus,like ,sumo ,sumburst, two grapefruit trees have 15 grapefruit ripening, i can;t even count the sumo mandarins, my lime tree has produce constantly, and pink lemons, my coffee trees full of coffee berries,not a expert by any means, i just try to stay on top, of problems, mine all in pots,got my trees from florida, learning ,loving suscess, people can't believe whats growing. susan
What about a more reflective surface or color on the back of your shed facing the citrus at the fence? It could capture more light for those trees.
Both of my citrus trees barely produced this year. They bloomed like crazy and I have honeybees so I know pollination was not an issue. I think that I over pruned them before covering and then also left them covered too long.
Thanks for your video and your time. There is always things to think about, thanks for the reminder to troubleshoot.
I’m impressed with the numerous varieties you have. It takes research and planning to find those too! Sometimes I’ve been too late to even order certain fruit trees.😮 I always love your videos!
Have you considered tree root “thieves”?
If you’ve got good soil and you fertilize your beds, the mature trees on the other side of the fence could be sneaking their roots under the fence and stealing water and nutrients.
I ran into this with raised garden beds along a wooded area. The veggies did great for the first two years, but then slowly declined in years 3 and 4. When I finally tore the beds out, the bottoms were packed with tree roots growing upward.
In the end, I had to install a root barrier to stop it. This may not be the exact issue you’re dealing with right now, but it’s something to keep in mind for the future.
Do you thin the fruit and how much sun does that corner get. I watch The Fruit Grove for all my citrus tips and she says you need to thin the fruit or your crop will be rubbish the following year. I grow all my citrus in big pots.
I just love your channel! Thank you for including the very important heart worm treatment messages. It’s not just gardening here but also good practical advice for living well. Will you be sharing the recipes for Dale’s cuisine – perhaps in a self published book in your store? You have so much free time to do that!
Your back corner citruses are definitely protected from the cold by those tall trees during the winter. Hopefully, trimming those hanging branches helps grow bigger for the next year. Keep us updated. I love to see Mr. Dale keeps showing up in your background. Thanks for sharing the video.
RKN or over pruning, maybe you need to leave soft wood, maybe RKN.
I definitely feel like this is the problem I’m having with my garden. Each year the surrounding trees grow taller and there’s less light. My fig tree puts out maybe 5 or 6 fruits and the vegetables are very unproductive. I’m going to try transplanting the fig to a sunnier spot and also thin out some of the overhanging trees.
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The shade keeps the plants colder as well. The Kumquat was OK because it can take teens without frost covers. You also have the house and its brick wall that warms up during the winter days. Good luck in your endeavors to fix the problem.
Makes sense as citrus needs sunshine. Great analysis.
My Arizona Sweet orange tree tends to produce a huge crop every 2 years and then a much smaller crop each following year. They put so much energy into setting and finishing their huge fruit crop that they don't seem to have much remaining for the blossoms for the following year. I have tried picking the fruit early, thinking it would give the tree a break before it produced the next year's blossoms, but that didn't change anything. Besides the longer the oranges stay on the tree, the sweeter they become. So I've accepted a biannual production schedule.
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Dale got some camera time! Great video, thanks for what you do. We are going into our first Zone 7B winter with 1st year young citrus trees. We are hoping the black barrels, frost covers and incandescent lighting will get us through.
Why not move the shed?
Two thoughts. First, those forest trees have grown in the years since you plated your back fence citrus and thus likely were generating more shade than a few years ago. Your pruning is a good start in correcting that issue. Second, and very depressing if true, you could be the seeing the start of a citrus greening outbreak. That disease killed all my citrus trees here in Gainesville, Florida and has pretty much destroyed Florida's citrus industry. Symptoms include reduced or no fruit production, fruit ripening earlier than expected, smaller than normal fruit, dead branches, and much more. That said, your citrus leaves look a nice and healthy green rather than mottled with yellow, which argues somewhat against citrus greening disease.
As you described the canopy, without even knowing your yard well, I figured that spot was short on light given that canopy on south and west + trees planted along a fence. I didn't know you put a shed so started to think the suffering after few years might been also a nutrient depletion issue contributing to change. Gardening 101 is to consider lighting requirements of plants when positioning them or anything that might change that in your growing area.
oh hey, turns out its the first thing i thought 😅
sunlight competition is the most impactful form of suppression in my experience and what i read online.
I would like to add something.
If the sun path you showed means that the sun is hitting at that exact low angle during winter.
The period of time where the sun is at its highest intensity around 9am-4pm is what your trees want.
not only do the branches from the forest that are hanging over your trees not blocking much sun if at all due to the low angle of the winter sun, but also whatever sun that the forest is blocking is (afternoon-evening) much less significant than the shed blocking late morning-midday sun.
I personally would not wait for another year to see the difference in harvest, from what i understand, its 100% the shed.
OODA loop!!!!
Definitely low light based on spindly growth. Also, they seem to be planted far too close to one another, Along with the mature trees, likely water and perhaps nutrient stress.your kumquat leaves also looked like they were suffering from spider mite or other sucking insect. If spider mite, it also suggests chronic watwr stress. Finally, if your subsoil is real heavy texture back there, your root volume is restricted. Might be worth digging down a foot or two to see what it’s like.
I am doing some experimenting myself. I live on the edge (literally) of zone 8a and 8b in NC.
A couple of years ago we got a cut christmas tree to decorate a front flowerbed. I noticed the little songbirds were using it as shelter. Last year we replaced it with two artificial trees with feeders as decoration. The interior was around 5°F warmer than ambient temp. So this year, i took a page from you and got strings of incandescent christmas lights to warm them even more.❤ thank you so much for all of the info, and i hope your citrus trees come back better than ever! Much love from Oklahoma US 💜
I guess since I started gardening in a back yard that struggles to get light for about 5 months and I have elevated shelves on cinder blocks that put them about 3.5 ft up and then the height of the grow bags soil level is about 4 ft. off the ground or there abouts, light getting to beds is something I've understood since I started gardening. I have the same issue with a shed, house, neighbor's trees, carport, etc…………
The only GOOD time for solar energy is summer, when it's also too hot for most plants here and I have to cool them down.
Question: Do you think I could havw some success with the Kumquat in a pot where I could bring it inside during the winter? In Piedmont NC.
You didn't mention the black barrels! I guess you use them for thermal heat.
As always…great content! I've kept my citrus in large pots because of worrying about putting them in the wrong place. I have wrapped them in Christmas lights, use frost cloth on the cold days/nights and place them up against the south facing wall of our brick house (thanks to you). So far so good and maybe this will be the year I'm brave enough to plant them in ground. Happy Thanksgiving!
The overstory was not the problem, the shed was! Now your frost protection is gone.
Dale is such a handsome boy! Love seeing him in the videos!
buy some 3" pvc pipe put under shed and push it out of the way so it doens't shade your oranges.
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