How They Made a Tropical Paradise in Portland Oregon – Big John Hicks Garden Tour Part 1

🌿 Portland Garden Tour | Dry-Tropical Front Yard Landscape Inspiration 🌿

Hello Garden Lovers and Welcome to Over the Fence Landscape Tours! In this episode, we explore a stunning front-yard garden just outside Portland, Oregon that proves you don’t need a tropical climate to create a lush, tropical-inspired landscape. This cleverly designed yard combines large-leaf plants, vibrant flowers, and a smart layout to offer year-round color, privacy, and pollinator-friendly blooms.

✨ Garden Highlights You’ll See in This Tour:
✔️ Dry-tropical design with bold, oversized foliage
✔️ An intricate border that provides exceptional privacy from the street
✔️ Year-round flowers that keep pollinators buzzing in every season
✔️ Hardy plants, annuals, and tender plants with huge tropical impact
✔️ Landscaping tips for creating a lush look in the Pacific Northwest

Whether you’re a gardener in the PNW or simply love creative front-yard landscaping ideas, this video is packed with inspiration for low-maintenance, high-impact gardens.

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Welcome to Over the Fence. Mike and Megan, 
when I saw your garden at the Hardy Plant   Open Garden, I was just flabbergasted by 
the beauty of it. Oh, that’s so sweet. Um, and and also just the feel like you’ve done 
such a good a good job of translating more than just the kind of tropical plants, but 
so many little touches that add so much. So, um, yeah, I’d love to just introduce maybe you 
guys could each talk about a little bit about how you came into this world and how you started 
gardening. Anything else you want to mention? name is Mike. Uh we’ve been at this place for 
16 years now. Uh been a work in progress. I’m a currently a production manager at Little Prince 
of Oregon Nursery. Um been in the industry for about 30 years. Got into it. I don’t know if I 
should say it, but I Well, I kind of I got into it uh as we Oh, let me see. Okay. Sorry. Say it right 
now. So, it was growing cannabis back in the book. It’s in the book. did by growing canvas back in 
the 90s. Um, right on. Makes it extra cool. You’ll find that I’m not as much. Yes. Yes. Yeah. And you 
probably learn a lot of from that. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Realized that digging holes wasn’t exactly what I 
liked, but I love the plants and I love the plant   aspect of it. And so, I ended up going back to 
college and getting my degree, bachelor’s degree in horiculture. And very cool. That was the start 
of my amazing industry. So, a fun fact that not many people know about me is I actually got into 
it via cannabis, too. Working in as cicada, just growing weed and trimming. Okay. See, so we have 
that in common. All right. And what about you, Megan? Oh, my name is Megan and uh I grew up not 
too far from here. So, I’m an Oregon native. Um I went to school uh uh to play sports in college. 
I was avid sports uh goer. So when I my sophomore year decided to transition my um degree to 
horiculture, my mom was like, “You don’t even mow the lawn.” Like how in the where is this coming 
from? Um I took one class in high school that was a horiculture class and I really enjoyed it. And 
so that’s what kind of took my moment of turning   into that. I also was really into photography and 
went to Monet’s garden and noticed how amazing the light was with gardening and texture and color, 
which kind of leads to how we’ve kind of started   to design here. And so that was kind of my turn. 
Um, and then I went I was had the great fortune to start at the Oregon Garden when it first before 
even the grand opening. So had my botanical   setting there and then transitioned to the nursery 
industry where Mike and I met at Little Prince of Oregon Nursery. So that was kind of the start of 
our relationship. Um, and then uh when things got serious, we realized that probably having all of 
our eggs in the Little Prince of Oregon basket   may not be wise long term. So I applied for the 
city of Lake Asiggo and went into municipality land management and was there for 14 years and 
now I’m currently the director of Westland Parks   and Recreation. Awesome. So that’s kind of but 
our tie has always been our dates a lot of um our vacations always are around botanical gardens. 
Um the botanical our gardening itself is something that we have met through and we’ve continued to 
stay connected through. So it’s kind of our um I   mean I don’t know who goes on a date to the Hardy 
Hortlandia plant sale. We do. We used to we used to get a babysitter. So um that’s kind of where 
we’ve kind of continued and it’s where we started   and it’s where we enjoy spending a lot of our 
time. So I have been completely known to butcher nomenclature of plants and I don’t hide from that. 
I’m not the greatest. But you know what I will say is that nobody alive today has actually heard 
spoken Latin from how it was back in the day. So nobody technically really knows how it should be 
pronounced. We all have ideas of how it should be, but nobody actually knows. Also, what is this in 
Great Britain? A climatus and here a clatus. So, I know. Yeah, it’s kind of silly to get mad about 
how things are pronounced. And I Please don’t feel any judgment for me, right? I feel like if we 
both know what the plant is and what we’re talking about. Exactly. Yeah. So this is just coming off 
of your driveway and you’ve got kind of more of a deserty plants. Got some of the mangavees over 
there as arigium here. We’ve got a a palm going on. The hedicium back in there and it’s kind of 
more of that that drier hotter tropical. The drier hotter tropical. Were you guys really inspired 
by the tropics? Have you traveled there a lot and   like we want to make that garden? Uh, I lived in 
California for a while, lived in Santa Cruz. Um, so not necessarily tropical, but a solid zone 
9 type of climate. Um, we’ve been to Florida, Southern California, Hawaii. So, we’re just 
inspired by the plant material and we like warmth. We like palm trees. We go to Las Vegas often. Do 
you use a lot of water in this section? I mean, obviously not. It’s dry, right? Not a ton. Yeah, 
it’s all on a drip system here. So it it is on   drip, but it’s not a heavy use water part of 
the garden. And I will say that Megan is the master of the foliage, the texture, the colors, 
the putting all the plants together. She is absolutely the mastermind of it. I’m a little more 
on the technical knowhow of the the requirements, the sizing, and a lot of times she’ll be like, 
I want to I want to put that there. I’m sorry,   you can’t put that there. And she’s like, no, but 
I want to put that there. I’m like, “I’m sorry, you can’t put that in there.” And so, we kind of 
have that nice balance. And she is definitely has a lot of the vision. She definitely sees the 
overall picture of it. I’m kind of a little better on the small scale side of it. The little 
pieces of it I do a little better with, but she sees kind of the the bigger picture and all of 
the put it all together. It’s a good team. And I’m a good I’m a good worker. I like I like digging 
holes, too. in this garden. Not in my career. Oh, right. Right. So, this is an annual, right? Uh, 
no, it’s actually not. That one is uh I guess I’m mixing it up with seal angel wings right on 
the edge. It’s It’s close. Um, so it’s it does well for you here. And uh yeah, that’s your two 
or three that have been in the ground. Awesome. That’s good to know. Some gingers. Yeah, that’s 
hiddium right there. Hide. Yeah, I believe it’s Terra. So, those are some really beautiful blooms, 
right? Nice orange flower bloom on that one. And is that coming up in just a little bit like uh 
usually more towards end of August? Okay. So, this is one that goes away, right? The colicacier. 
Yeah. Well, they they go away and they go back to the nursery. I’m fortunate enough to have a place 
to over winter a lot of the plants. And so, the cola There’s an alocacier in the back. Those are 
those are plants that get replanted every year, but most of everything that you see in the yard 
is hardy. You just have a few key things that get really big and have a really big impact and 
you do some hard work digging those out and   putting them back in. But most everything else 
is um is hardy hearty to the yard, you know, or autil. We’ll wrap them. Well, we’ll throw a 
blanket over them on the super cold nights. So, but that one’s been here 10 plus years. So, it’s 
gone through some really harsh cold winters and they have survived. So, amazing. Some years we’re 
like, I don’t know. Is this the year? Is this the year they’re going to be lost? But every year 
they come back. So the bees just absolutely love disappeared one. Just get your head in there and 
it’s like maybe not that close. Especially with curly hair, they get stuck in there, but 
you can completely hear them just having   a heyday in there. Amazing. So many different 
types of bees visit our garden. And you know, a lot of our neighbors don’t do a lot of gardening 
and landscaping and things like that. So, this yard really supports a lot of amazing different 
pollinators out there and the hummingbirds, particularly in the late time of late season in 
the year where there’s nothing flowering anywhere, our yard has something for those hummingbirds. 
There’s our friends. There’s Oh, we fight that all the time here. So, we have deer sprinklers 
that go off. We don’t uh in the sideyard,   in the front yard constantly because we live on 
natural space all around and we’re quite tasty. Our yard’s quite easy to snack on. So, there’s our 
visitors that have been uh dealing with the deer. We have motion sensor sprinklers that they do go 
off. Probably drives the neighbors crazy that they go off so often, but they are quite effective. So, 
I think if you do have you do have deer problems that it’s a good option. The amaranth you’ll find 
we planted that three plus years ago at least. Yeah. And as you walk through the garden, you’ll 
see it randomly pop up, including in the cracks   of our driveway. And we just let them be because 
they’ve made it. They survived. And so they’re just kind of randomly where they’ve occurred and 
where they’ve receded. So Okay. It kind of is. Yes. Even like in our driveway, there’s a crack 
with one growing out. I promise. I try not to   drive over it and just let it be there. If it’s 
happy to grow, it grows there. And it does make a great cut flower. Do you ever No, we just love 
it as it is. It’s just it’s there. We let it be. So maybe we should try as a cut flower. Our yards 
evolved though over the years. So when we moved in, there’s only two plants in the front here that 
were in existence. Everything else we brought in,   there wasn’t a whole lot of plant material. There 
was arborite hedge in the front and this used to be our edible garden until we had overplanted 
it that we were not probably eating as much as we probably should have and it transitioned over 
time. Um, so we just we find an area that we like and we work use it and then we’re like we’re not 
optimizing it and then we change it out and so   the garden just continually changes and um I use 
the example of I call it moving the furniture. So plant something for the year that works and 
then we’re like eh it’s got to move next year   doing less and less of that now though. But um as 
we’re getting older, our kids are getting older and we’re just kind of enjoying what’s what’s 
there now. Yeah. know the work you put into it   and what you’ve created and like do you disagree 
off ever much at all? I mean sometimes yeah I mean again we’re out here working right and we’re like 
stressed it gets to something. It will be more so   that I really want something in a place like Mike 
mentioned that should not be there. It’s not nice to the plants. Um and so not often but we’ve done 
like all the irrigation together brought you know tons of soil in and bark mulch and again it’s 
like our thing that we do together. So I think sometimes though on that point it’s sometimes we 
just trust each others. You’re like well I don’t see that vision but go with it you know and see. 
Sometimes it works and other times we’re like well let’s try again. Exactly. I will say he was kind 
to compliment me on like putting plans together. But all of our infrastructure that we have that 
you see Mike has done himself. So there’s been   no landscaper that’s come in or designer. So for 
example the structure behind us is actually for our trash cans and recycling. Um, so we’re like, 
can we do this in a different way and I’ll throw   out an idea and Mike builds it. Um, same thing 
we look in the front yard, there’s a patio there that’s the last bit of sun we get in the day and I 
wanted to be I always call it lizard on the rock.   I want to be in the sun and so he built a patio 
for us. So, um, all the decking, everything you see has all been Mike Hicks built. So, feel very 
fortunate to have that craftsmanship in him. And that’s amazing that like this little path is 
actually has so much utility. You’ve really   cleverly figured this out. the trash can. And so 
you actually um are able to go up an alley and put the cans in. Our neighbor’s super nice about that. 
Um he was willing to allow us to do that access.   And for example, this has just been here less than 
a year. So we just or maybe two years. It’s been a couple years, but the pathways only been here. 
This was PL, you know, we were like, how do we get   here? How do we tie it in together? Um same thing 
with the bamboo edging that came out of us wanting to have that tropical feel. And so we just now use 
it for any of our accents to build our beds up,   too. Nice. I think that’s a lot of this garden. 
None of it was really planned as this overall design. It was we did that spot and then we did 
this spot and then we did a spot back there and then we found a way with pathways and features and 
things like that that it luckily all just kind of came together. Yeah. Well, the other part of that 
is we go plant shopping and then Mike will go like   where’s that going to go? And I’ll be like I don’t 
know. we’ll figure out come home and that’s how a lot of things have come to be or we get plants 
donated or Mike has friends that’ll buy plants for us and it’s nice to have people who uh share 
the vision and collect for us too. So absolutely yeah well I keep admiring this plant down here the 
mimulus. Yeah, that is mimulus walker. Yeah. Okay, great. And does that kind of bloom a long period 
of time or am I luck it’s it’s been blooming all summering. It will continue to bloom all the way 
into the fall, too. So, and that was planted as what size, Mike? That wasn’t that big of a plant, 
just to give an idea. 4 and 1/2 in container. So,   yeah, that’s just a couple months worth 
of growth, and it’s gotten amazing. And continuous bloom. Yeah, continuous bloom. 
And it kind of goes from a a darkish red and fades to a lighter orange color like that. 
So, you have a variation of color in it. And so I love how you’ve continued the bamboo to 
kind of tie it in. And this is your sun spot. Your That’s my sun spot. Right. Get home from work 
and it’s the last sun spot of the day. That   came about from one of the ice storms. We lost 
a pitorum that was it was a borderline hardy and edgeworthy and an edgeworthy. We’re both right 
there and we were super sad about it. But then as Megan said that was like that is the last bit 
of sun here and so she had a great idea just to build a patio there. So a lot mo almost every time 
in our yard where we’ve lost something, we found new opportunities for something better and it’s 
always come out better. So I’m trying to give a bee water garden and it Oh, cute. I’m trying. 
We had one of our um Mike’s water features in the back. One year we had honey bees. Some one bee 
just found it and we were just having a continuous stream of honey bees coming for the water. Haven’t 
been able to recreate it. So, this is my attempt   to try. It’s so I I don’t know if I’ll get any 
visitors, but I’m really really like this one like like go down like go down. Well, and then if 
you watch this echania too, they’re just the bees are all over it. Um and we’ll get a lot of the um 
the the native flies that come in too. It’s really fun to sit here and just watch how this whole area 
swarms. So, I just keep hoping somebody will come   for a drink of water. It’s a new thing. Yeah, they 
will come. Yeah. Is this Twister? Yeah, it’s green Twister. It’s uh It looks so healthy. And you 
haven’t had to stake it or anything. That’s good.   It gets really hot sun right there. Okay. And it 
this is a little bit of a challenging area. It’s just blazing sun. And then it also the hydrenia 
is tall enough now over there where it blocks some of it, but it would just get tons of reflective 
sun from the roof and the skylights would have like almost magnify glass. It would burn plants. 
Yeah. So that’s a massive hydrangeanger. And this tree that’s a quat. A lowquat. Yeah. Evidently, 
they’re quite weedy in California cuz we’ve had some people come up from California are just 
gas by the fact that it’s here. They’re like, “What is that doing here?” So, they it clearly 
must be quite weedy. Yeah. In California, but we love it. We’ve been fortunate. You know, 
in the ice storms though, it like it’ll almost lay flat. Oh my gosh. Wow. Yeah. But it survives. 
It’s almost like rubbery kind of, right? bendy and it just pops right back up. Is it kind of like 
a magnolia how it blooms? It it is in the Well, the flowers are not that way. It drops its leaves 
like a magnolia. So that’s why it’s really nice in   the back because it’s a mess back there. But the 
flowers are like early February, March. You don’t even notice them and you’ll all of a sudden look 
out and it’s the only thing that’s blooming right   next to the edge where the will go first and then 
that. They’re like small. Super fragrant, too. Yeah. I really love the circle like um you know 
a lot of people try to like not have a perfect circle. It well it was started off as an egg shape 
because we did not want a perfect circle. That was   actually it was very specifically even looking 
from our second story window looking down. Um but now it looks like a circle here. I just I want 
to tell you guys sincerely genuinely I love this. like you know people like being in a concentric 
shape and well it was definitely not intended that way. Although we know that we tried but now we did 
try to not make it a circle but that was the only   way it was going to work. Well you have I think 
you’re the first person that’s ever said that you’ve you’ve liked our circle. Um and then you 
know you really did like bring the the foliage in and so that’s great. You can be in here and feel 
like you’re not on the street. So that’s really   great. The beauty of this right here is that it’s 
just a nice secluded spot where even if people are coming up, they don’t even know you’re you’re 
sitting right here. And you get to hear the the   children. Oh, it’s lovely. Yeah, it is. Do scare 
some UPS drivers with our dear sprinklers or us sitting here not knowing we’re here. But and you 
guys just quietly like, “Hi.” And they’re like,   “Oh, wait. People are actually sitting in their 
yard.” Exactly. See, this yard has been so much transformation, too, cuz this used to be our 
annex. We would just find random stuff and put it   in here. So, this is the last area that like even 
this bed right here was just replanted in March and April. Yeah. You know, so we we really thought 
it was there, but we No, but I mean that we moved a lot. It was a blank spot and we were terrified 
of the garden tour coming. So, it was just kind of   fun to work through it and just we keep moving 
things around and Yeah. And you can see some colored metal art back there. There’s some more 
anniversary. That was yesterday. I just went crazy with the spray paint. I think I had spray 
painted too much over the time. You’ve inhaled too   much. I think I did. I was like, “You want a You 
want a mask or an act or something?” Like, “No, I’m fine.” Cuz you really couldn’t rusted metal. 
So, you really couldn’t see them. Those metal balls were um created by Don Sprag, who passed 
away I think two years ago. He was a fabricator in Aurora. So, I made a point to like hold his name 
out so when I spray paint. It’s just kind of fun   that some of the local artists around. And he did 
a lot of garden art. A lot a lot of garden art. Yeah. This is another aroseima. This is another 
one of my That’s aim. A lot of different arosimas have a lot of different leaf forms to them. 
This could be called dinosaur footprint. Oh,   it totally could. Yeah, you’re right. You’re 
right. I never I haven’t seen that, but now now I can’t unsee it. Okay, good. Good. Maybe the next 
one will have that name. All right. Well, you just you just made a new common name, huh? Wow. And he 
gets, you know, I just love the flowers that Well, Mike, there’s I don’t know if is there any 
out front? Cuz there’s one right here, but   I’m hoping there’s one up front. I think there’s 
some in the front. Okay. Facing. So, they look like the little cobras. Yep. That’s exactly what 
it is. They all are. I think I’m smelling. So,   that’s exact. That’s just a stargazer. As 
we came around the corner, I was like, “Oh, I wonder what’s smelling.” It’s the stargazer. Oh, 
that’s so beautiful. Even having Daphne next to the cana is probably not how you’d ever plan that, 
but we’re like the Daphne was here. That was No,   we planted that. But we were like, we were so 
happy to have success with it, we just worked our way around it. Like an Aelia behind with the tri 
just just make the texture and color work. I guess   it’s kind of showing that there may be a right and 
a wrong, but when you garden, there really isn’t. You know, you kind of make it what you want it to 
be. It looks so perfect and the scale and just But I’m realizing now how wide these beds are. what 
like 10 15 ft. Yeah, there’s close probably 15 to 20 ft to that back fence back there from the front 
right here. So, yeah, there is a lot back there. And that is actually one thing we’ve somewhat 
struggled with as to how to there’s a lot of stuff back there that you don’t ever see, right? Unless 
you like fight your way through to get there. And so we’ve always talked about some pathways and 
things like that, but it’s also nice just to have that depth. Yeah. Depth right there and to 
get the right plants so that they’re popping up behind and you just, you know, you’ve created the 
right proportion of of Lucky. Oh, I’m sure there’s more than that. Well, we did this last year. A 
lot of furniture moving. It is a lot of furniture   moving. But in the back, we actually made like a 
little leaf nursery. So things we didn’t want to throw away right before the, you know, we had 
people over, we just had all these containers.   We just threw some stuff back there that we’ll see 
if we’ll use it next year or not. Awesome. It’s a nice little holding area. The front yard has been 
I think it’s finally getting to a nice It was kind of a place where things just got thrown. We didn’t 
know what to do with them. We threw them in. Okay, that’ll work for this year. Yeah. But I think 
we’ve Yeah. managed to do. It’s finding its   story. Yeah. You know, it’s nice. We like to 
mix the annuals with hearty perennials. And this is an annual, right? Yeah, that’s caster bean 
plant right there. That’s cool. Yeah. Oh, that’s such a great combo. And then a bromeilad that you 
That’s a mangave right there. A mangave. Okay. So of those tips. Oh, no. It’s fine. It’s just like 
a needle. We like to cut the tips off so that is this a crocosmia? It is a crocos. I’ve never seen 
that color of leaf before. That’s great. It was a gift. I don’t think it’s uh on the market yet. It 
came from inertia and it’s developing it. So, but I I think it’s great. And the flower is beautiful 
and just that dark foliage color. Has it done the crocosmia thing where you’re like, you’re too 
big of a mound. Not We’ve only had it two, three years. Three. No, it might be four. It was when 
the book was published. Oh, maybe three years. That’s when she brought it over. But yeah, there’s 
other crocosmas where we’ve been pulling forever years. Yeah. And then more of your amaran. Yeah. 
Popping up everywhere in the cracks. Does that come out although I will say this that every year 
I pull it out and this last winter wasn’t very was a mild winter and I just got gung-ho and I just 
started digging in there and I was tearing it out. Pretty much realized it was still alive. And so I 
ripped out this huge ins that was probably alive. better party grailia. Had this for over 10 years. 
Flowers just like almost all nonstop. And here’s another patch of aimma consequentium silver center 
and kind of colonized in here and just love the just love the flowers on them. They’re just so 
cool. And then I love it with the umbrella pine behind it. Is that what that is? It is. Yeah. um 
which will eventually get quite big. Yeah, it’s okay. But it will. But it was planted there with 
the intent that it would get big. So that’s not a moving plant. That’s one of my favorite conifers. 
Oh, come on. You get big. No. No. This is a really nice feature. Is it Is this actually holding 
in soil or Okay. Oh, we did have an old arriva hedge that came across the front right here. 
And it was a much It was a lot shorter though, wasn’t it? I don’t think so. But maybe it was. 
Thought I built that up a little taller. But yeah,   it’s uh it’s holding soil in so that we can get 
a a taller back portion and then it slopes down into the grass. Oh, okay. Also kind of gave us 
the reason why we realized we wanted the privacy   cuz we had arbiva hedge that went along this side 
and then down the fence line. And so we were like, well, that was a huge privacy loss when that fell 
down with the ice storm. I used 20 or 21. Yeah. Took it down. Took it all. So it was honestly a 
gift. But we were like, oh no, what are we going   to do? Cuz you’re now your privacy just so much 
more intricate and lush and luscious. Yeah. Well, and kind of especially on the the far side there 
where we replaced the fence. Once we took the the hedge down, we noticed like all the plants were 
growing at a 45° angle because they were trying to   get away from it. And as soon as we took it down, 
they just all opened up and they just all filled in and became so much happier. The trellis here 
has kind of never really gotten one vine to ever become dominant on it. So, we just I just keep 
planting new vines on there. I just keep throwing them on there. I don’t know. It’s a bit of a mess 
and a little wrangly right now. The len seem to have finally become happy on it. A pass of flora 
that comes up. It goes comes and goes. There it is. Blooming. Yeah, we got one. We got one going 
right now. Yeah. And there’s a clatus right there. And there’s the This is Yep, that’s a clatus. And 
then that’s a clatus. That’s also We were part of the Rogers and Clemetus collection. uh tour a 
few years ago. So, we added a few in um which is really neat. Felt like we should add some in if we 
were on the clatus tour. I’m really happy we did cuz even this one over here, there’s only a couple 
blooms that are in pink that are above left. Um but it’s that’s a that one is Diana, I believe. 
What a great Princess Diana. Yeah. It’s really nice. It has the nice Yeah. after. Yeah. And then 
your little school of fish, too. Beautiful. So we that would be for year nine. We buy um garden 
art for our anniversaries. So what you see mostly in the art realm that’s here is all been 
for some sort of anniversary. So this was nine   for the school. And how many years have you been 
married now? 14. 15 this I was like wait a minute. 14 technically 15 years. It’s like it’s like a 
scavenger hunt. All right. We got to find all 15. It didn’t start at the very I think it probably 
started year five or so five or six. It is the gate one is the first one. That is the first year 
anniversary. That’s where the tradition started. Well, thank you guys for bringing me through 
Margaritavville back here. It’s great to have you. Really appreciate honored to be a part of 
it. So, thank you. Okay. Um, and you mentioned a book. Is there? Yes, we we have the book. I’ll 
go grab it real quick. This came out in April. So, we were super honored to be a part of what? 
Yes, it’s right there. Beautiful. Okay, we won’t share too much. People can buy the book. 
Spirited Garden. You know, as gardening books go, often times you’ll just you’re like, “Yeah, it’s 
a gardening book, right?” But this one is done   really well. It’s on some really nice quality 
paper. It was put together really nice. And is it all people from Portland? Uh, most Northwest 
people. And I love that it’s the stories of the gardener. So, as you’re reading through, it’s 
really fun to see. That was I think I love   that part of it. She really tied in her art um 
her artistry and keen eye for photography with the stories of the gardener. So, definitely one 
to check out. Okay. And is there anywhere else you’d like people to follow you or I don’t know 
keep in touch with you where? Just Instagram. Instagram. We’re going to put a We’re going to 
make a Instagram page for pictures. I think one of these days we’ve become cool. We’ll let you 
know. Okay. Well, thank you so much. Thank you   so much. I really appreciate this. It’s really 
great to get to know you even through great like starting to see your story. I’m just like, oh 
my gosh, what you have created. How amazing.