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today I am among other things trying to pick a whole bunch of fruit i got a few containers with me we’re coming into that peak ridiculous wonderful abundant moment where it’s kind of hard keeping up with all the different types of small fruit in particular we’re in late June into early July uh the gooie is the one that I’m going to be talking about today in particular but we’ll also be picking Yonair Veret’s uh red currant it’s a lovely early season red currant and get ready to start processing harvesting and processing all the black currants and the raspberries are crazy right now too it’s wonderful but it’s also a real thing that we have to be aware of and make the time for what I want to hone in on in this video is a discussion about gi and it’s a couple ones off to the side there next to this uh pond that we dug a few years ago it’s starting to lose a little bit of water as we warm up and talk about some of the site considerations and observations we’ve had over the years about what Goome wants and what it’s capable of doing and who is it so this diverse bank uh next to the pond we planted basically the same uh we we dug the pond in the winter of 2021 I believe and in the spring of 2021 before things started leafing out we added as much diversity as bare root plants through here so everything in here is planted the rhubarb the currants the senna the echania it be fun to do a deep dive tour on how that worked i think it worked beautifully and GI yet again proving itself to be pretty much extremely competent wherever we put them with a few exceptions which I’ll explore goome is Eliagnus multif flora it is a member of the autumn olive family it looks familiar to folks that know autumn olive but in in a colder climate at least as far as I can tell I’ve never seen a single seedling come up from seed even though they’re so productive this is a midseason a summer cropping Elliot family plant and yes it’s still a stringent it still has some of that tannin and that complexity there but the fruits are quite a bit larger than autumn olive and if you get them at peak ripess and it’s the right variety they’re quite sweet they’re astonishingly productive uh here next to this pond they get pretty good amount of sun midday but they’ve get uh that’s off to the east so it’s morning shade and late day it’s a similar picture so it’s not a full sun position and there’s no amendments that are added this is a nitrogen fixing plant basically as long as it has some amount of sunlight it can do the rest on its own drier soils are better and even though it’s next to the pond it’s up on this burm so the root zone will never flood here and it’s easy to pick handfuls of these things pop them in pull the strings out the smaller varieties make seeds you can chew the bigger varieties you can still chew them but they’re not as pleasant we’ll do another video talking about uh red gem sweet scarlet and carmine what the differences are between them as as some of the main cultivars that are out there but boy oh boy it’s just been such a wonderful plant getting to interact with so one of the first main notes I want to convey as we learn more about this is gi extremely competent in complex situations so unlike let’s say seab buckthornne which really demands full sun lots of air flow around them they’re they can have plants grow up and through them over time but it’s to their detriment they slowly sess and die away gmy you can see here it’s got um sun chokes growing through it there’s a giant pear starting to come up and over another autumn olive growing in there and the gum is doing just fine it’s leaning a little over the water but doing just fine and to take that idea a little further here’s one really tucked in underneath a canopy of autumn olive and pear lots of other plants around and it’s making a ton of fruit i mean that’s just a few inches worth of fruit on one branch these plants can get quite a bit taller and bigger than they are right now these are still pretty young but you can see it’s very productive and growing just fine even with all this competition so here’s autumn olive there’s pear and yeah at some point we’ll want to cut the autumn olive back so when the fruit is ripe on these we’ll cut them in order to release the gi here but underneath it all it’s still producing there might be many hundreds if not upwards to a thousand fruit on this one shrub our friend Ben Faulk up in Vermont which is solidly zone 4 I think um there was one year that got down to -28 or -29 Fahrenheit and his gi was damaged from that but other than that average years down around -20 -18 -22 they’re hardy to that which is pretty crazy so uh in our climate central New York State I don’t think there’s going to be a winter where we have to worry about much damage at all we got to -18 and -20 these plants experienced with absolutely no dieback whatsoever so very cold hearty too so a note here to share you can see the cat bird sitting on those metal arches in front of me that there you go that’s one of the primary consumers of the gi fruit is for for us at least cat birds i bet other birds of that similar size really like them the good news is that what they prefer is to pick the fruit from higher up so like these branches are the ones that they pick from the most so as the gi starts to get taller than us you know maybe they get to be about 8 ft or 10 ft tall any of the fruit that’s hard to reach at all for us is wonderful cuz that’s the preferred fruit of the wild friends and they can only eat one fruit at a time so even if you have a huge amount of birds finding your gummy patches if you’ve got a few uh plants growing you’ve got all the fruit you want they’ve been hammering these for days like all day every day and there’s still lots of fruit this is one of our uh more intense production zones in here there’s about 15 plant 10 plants we’ve added in a few more and just to give some context of another scenario that they are competent in and comfortable in so these have been very productive for a few years that’s looking east again this was a white ash grove you can see the ash are dying and um this grove was cut out and cleared so that we could plant in a new successional ark and gi as a nitrogen fixer pioneer species felt like the right candidate and we’ll be adding in shell bark hickory we’ll be adding in northern pecan maybe some apricots maybe some uh peaches to move up in succession later but here’s the late day access it’s quite a bit covered by trees here so this is really only a handful of hours of direct sunlight is I’d call this a partial shade glade in here and they’re cranking it we have found that deep in the winter when we get to the coldest moments rabbits will turn on a switch and eat everything they can that’s low and young wood so really really fine tip wood for example like this will get consumed by rabbits so if you have lots of rabbits in your landscape you might want to put protection around them you can see where they girdled some of the bark there but they did not kill that uh stem but the good news at least for us where we’ve got immense deer pressure I’ve yet to ever see deer brows on gi either during the growing season or the winter not to say that that’s a guarantee but that’s been my experience and that’s really really lovely any plant that doesn’t get chewed on by deer is helpful for us i’m going to switch into picking mode rather than talking about plant mode cuz I’ve got a lot to pick before I leave today we’ll try to share some notes we’re making gi soda right now we make gi wine last year uh we’ll try to save enough seed where we can offer fresh viable seed for the winter i made a video talking about how we are growing them from seed it’s a little little tricky but not that big a deal something else to note is that if you like red currents in particular early bearing yanker vertets here is a very very early red currant they uh the maturation time of the average goome and the average early red currant overlap so if you wanted to do gi and currant jams or wines together they’re very compatible this is a plant that is partially shade tolerant and loves lots of nitrogen this is a plant that gets a little bigger and confers nitrogen to the soil and so you can do a gi red currant harvest all in one stroke if you wanted to do that anyway some notes on gi keep adding more as we learn more and have some time to do so thanks for watching
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Hey Sean, how do you manage mosquito in your seasonal ponds throughout your landscape? Installed one at my place and have challenges with larva.
Very educational, as usual. I'm considering putting goumi in my food forest for my chickens. Good idea? What about the tannins?
Id love to get my hands on some seed for those nice red currants and the goumi! Seems like the perfect companions yo plant together.
Had enough red currants this year to make a syrup that I add to lemonade. Tasted goumi berries for the 1st time! Only had about 2 dozen, but enough to taste. Also picking gogi berries that seem to fruit for the entire summer. Birds got most of the haskaps
Our Goumi are done in 7a Oklahoma – they were wonderful blended with strawberry and mulberry, and dried into bite sized snacks. Yep. All gone – guests gobble these things up like candy
Thanks for the video. I was thinking deer wouldn't touch them. They have so much autumn olive and it's so similar they have plenty to browse of it.
Do you know anyone doing syntropic type planting for colder climates?
What variety is that? Mine are half that size.
Do you have mulberry trees? Mine are producing crazy! And black raspberries! And waiting on blueberries to start. I don't have goumi berries but I really really want to add some!! And I need some sea berries…
Hey, just commenting for the algorithm/to let you know, post as many videos as you want, I will watch them all throughout and then let them play again on mute, and like them. You need more reach, your expertise is incredible!
I've never even heard of these before, so thank you for your ever educational and entertaining content. We're in the Highlands of Scotland and whilst colder and windier that a lot of the UK we do get a little sun so I'd be keen to give these a crack. Off to eBay to find a nursery supplier here in the UK!😁
Beautiful! I look forward to adding this plant to our food forest. Thank you for sharing.
I'm in zone 7a/6b central Kentucky.
Planted Sweet Scarlet variety years ago. It is amazing!
Our mocking birds get their fill of berries and I still have a couple gallons of berries set aside.
Astounding plant
Surprised that the deer dont bother your goumi! I have had mine for a few years now and I’ve only ever tasted one or two fruits (despite it setting tons). The deer come along in early spring and strip 90% of the young berries off and they take a solid bit of the leaves and young twigs with it. They haven’t killed it or stripped it bare though! It does seem like they are intentionally going after the berry clusters more than anything and getting some leaves and twigs along with it. Weird huh? They’re hungry here in spring, they always eat the chives back when they first come up, and a few other things that they’re not supposed to like. Semi-Unrelated, I have a couple of tiny 100$ mulberry trees (prices are HORRIBLE here) that have not been able to put out a single leaf bud since I bought them bare root last year. They’re under a foot tall, but every leaf bud that emerges gets eaten by something long before it leafs out. Any ideas before they are dead forever? – N.S. Can
Thanks for that hot tip 4 years ago, got an amazing amount of fruit this year!
I planted these as part of a living snow hedge for a large driveway curve with a snowdrift issue. I get tons of berries now (and so do my peafowl!), and the bushes break up the wind and drifting snow all winter here in Michigan. I've found their cold-hardiness listed at zone 6, but we've seen -23 here and these just keep growing and fruiting!
Love Goumi’s. Thank you Sean
😊 oh now I know what grows in my garden. Dankeschön! I was wondering why my 'autumn olive' produces red fruit just now😅. It is a goumi!
Can autumn olive and goumi hybridize or are they too far apart evolutionarily speaking?
Please post your recipes for goumi wine and soda. Also, how do you process them. I find it very hard to get pulp from them without the seeds. So far the easiest is a steam juicer. Makes a ton of going juice, but no pulp.
My goumi's have struggled in dryer soil. They take off eventually but I think it took 5 years before we got to a decent size and some fruit. They're doing great now. Have a 3 year old carmine that's just gotten above my knee, hoping that one can follow suit.
How many yrs for Goumi to produce berries?
Great content. Following for tips about guilds: especially mid understory plants, bushes & small trees. 😊
I planted Goumi in my new beds this spring. They face our southern side and will not impede sunlight, until I want them to make shade. Very versatile plant.
Thank you.
Excellent video. Thank you. 🌱🌻🐝🐓🌲🐌😊💚
How was the goumi wine?
Thanks for the info.
Excited to get my hands on a goumi this fall.
What is the pinnate-leaved plant seen about 3:30 to 3:40? Looks kind of like a Baptisia.
For those unfamiliar with the different cultivars of goumi, Tillamook is one you might come across that is essentially the same cultivar as Carmine. Out here in the PNW, I’ve only ever seen it being listed as Tillamook, so I think it may just mostly be a regional naming difference.
Of the 3 main cultivars, Tillamook/Carmine is by far the largest fruit size and tend to be a bit sweeter, less astringent, especially as they get fully ripe. I’ve had some on my plants get nearly as large as a grape. By comparison, Red Gem and Sweet Scarlet tend to be on the smaller size, though still delicious.
Interesting, our Jonkheer bushes are the last to ripen… Certainly not the same as yours it seems. Thanks for sharing!
We just got chickens they are 3 mos old. I'm loving them and am inspired to build permaculture for them. We have 26 acres of sandy soil. A bit overwhelming, but a challenge is what brings zeal to life❤. Thank you for your teachers spirit.