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♪ ♪ >> Michelle: GOOD AFTERNOON, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. WE WILL BRING YOU THE LATEST ON THAT FATAL ROCKSLIDE AND BANFF NATIONAL PARK. AND IS MORE OF US TAKE TO THE OUTDOORS THIS SUMMER, WE ARE ASKING YOU, HOW DO YOU PLAN AND PREPARE FOR THE RISKS? WE WILL TAKE YOUR CALLS AND WE WILL TALK TO ONE OUTDOOR PHOTOGRAPHER AND BC ADVENTURE SMART ABOUT WHAT TO KEEP IN MIND AND STAY SAFE. AND WILL HAVE SOME TIPS FOR GETTING YOUR FALL CROPS IN THE GROUND WITH BRIAN MINTER WHO HAS ALWAYS, IS TAKING YOUR GARDENING QUESTIONS. I AM MICHELLE ELIOT, WELCOME TO BC TODAY. ♪ ♪ >> Michelle: FIRST, LET’S BRING YOU THE LATEST ON YESTERDAY’S DEADLY ROCK FALL AND BANFF NATIONAL PARK. TO PEOPLE OR NOW CONFIRMED DEAD IN THE MASSIVE ROCKSLIDE THAT STRUCK NUMEROUS HIKERS NEAR BOW GLACIER FALLS IN BANFF NATIONAL PARK. OFFICIALS SAY ONE OF THE DECEASED IS A 70-YEAR-OLD CALGARY WOMAN WAS FOUND DEAD AT THE SCENE. THE BODY OF A SECOND VICTIM WAS RECOVERED THIS MORNING. THREE OTHERS WERE TRANSPORTED TO HOSPITAL BY AIR AND GROUND AMBULANCE. ALL ARE IN STABLE CONDITION. BO GLACIER FALLS IS LOCATED ABOUT THREE KILOMETRES TO THE SOUTH WEST OF BO LAKE — OF BOW LAKE. IT’S ACCESSIBLE VIA UP POPULAR HIKING TRAIL. THE INCIDENT WAS ABORTED AROUND 1:00 P.M. YESTERDAY WHEN RC MP WERE NOTIFIED THAT MULTIPLE HIKERS COOKED WERE CAUGHT IN A ROCK FALL. PARKS CANADA, THE LAKE LOUISE FIRE DEPARTMENT, STARS AMULETS, THE RCMP AND EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT SERVICES RESPONDED TO THE SCENE. IN A PRESS RELEASE THIS MORNING, PARKS CANADA SAID THERE ARE NO ADDITIONAL PERSONS MEETING. ELLIE JACKSON WAS HIKING NEAR THE FALLS WITH HER TWO DOGS WHEN THAT ROCK SHELF GAVE WAY. SHE TOLD CBC WHAT SHE HEARD AND WHAT SHE SAW AND HOW SHE JUMPED IN TO HELP. >> I WAS FACING AWAY FROM THE FALLS WHEN I HEARD IT KIND OF A CRACKING SOUND AND I KNEW IMMEDIATELY WHAT THE SOUND WAS, IT WAS ROCK WITH HOW LOUD THE CRACK WAS I LOOKED OVER MY SHOULDER AND A WHOLE SHEET OF ROCK WAS COMING OFF. IT LOOKED LIKE A MULTISTORY BUILDING AND IT JUST CAME DOWN WITH SUCH FORCE AND EXPLODED WITHOUT HESITATION, I STARTED RUNNING. I GRABBED MY BACKPACK EID MY CAMERA IN MY HAND AND MY DOGS. I JUST RAN AS FAST AS I COULD AS FAR AS I COULD AWAY FROM IT. I BROUGHT A FIRST AID KIT, I HAD A TOURNIQUET AND A SPLINT AT A BUNCH OF THINGS TO HELP HAD AN EMERGENCY BLANKET. LIKELY OTHER PEOPLE DID AS WELL. WE TRY TO MOVE PEOPLE OUT OF THE AREA I THOUGHT IT WAS TOO DANGEROUS TO BE STILL WHERE THEY WERE SO WENT BACK UP TO HELP THEM. SO IF THERE IS A SECONDARY FALL, I DO NOT WANT TO BE IN THAT POSITION BECAUSE MORE PEOPLE WOULD PROBABLY GET HURT, SO WE MOVED AS FAR AS WE COULD TO WERE IT WAS SAFE AND KIND OF FLAT AND TRYING TO TREAT PEOPLE THAT WE COULD AT THE TIME THERE. I CAN’T BELIEVE HOW MAY PEOPLE CAME TOGETHER TO HELP AND WHATEVER THEY POSSIBLY COULD WITH THEIR ABILITIES AND THE LIMIT THEY HAD TO HELP. >> Michelle: PARKS CANADA SAID THE BOW LAKE AND THE TRAIL TO BOW HOT REOPEN THIS MORNING BUT BOW GLACIER FALLS ARE ENCLOSED ALL VISITORS AND A NO-FLY ZONE REMAINS IN PLACE. AS I MENTIONED, BOW GLACIER FALLS IS A POPULAR AND ACCESSIBLE TOURIST ATTRACTION AND BANFF NATIONAL PARK AND MANY VISITORS OF COURSE GO TO BANFF FROM BC. SO WE WOULD LIKE TO HERE FROM YOU, AS WE MAKE YOUR SUMMER PLANS FOR OUTDOOR RECREATION WHETHER IN BC OR ALBERTA OR ELSEWHERE IN CANADA, HOW ARE THOSE OUTDOOR RISKS INFLUENCING HOW YOU PLAN ARE PREPARE. WHAT DO YOU DUE TO STAY SAFE, WHAT ARE YOUR SAFETY STRATEGIES? CALL US AT 1-800-825-5950, (604) 669-3733, OR POUND 690 ON YOUR CELL PHONE. YOU CAN ALSO E-MAIL US AT [email protected]. I HAVE TWO GUESTS WITH ME NOW. SANDRA RICHARDS IS EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF BC ADVENTURE SMART WHICH IS A NATIONAL EDUCATION PROGRAM FOR PEOPLE PARTICIPATING IN OUTDOOR RECREATION ACTIVITIES. — SANDRA RICHES, THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF B.C. ADVENTURE SMART. AND MATTHEW MASSA, A TRAVEL AND ADVENTURE PHOTOGRAPHER WHO POST ON INSTAGRAM AT THIS MATT EXIST. HELLO TO YOU BOTH. THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. >> Michelle: SANDRA, IT IS TERRIFYING TO LISTEN TO WHAT SHE DESCRIBED THEIR WHAT SHE HEARD WITH THE CRACKING AND WHAT SHE SAW WHEN SHE TURNED AROUND. WHAT GOES THROUGH YOUR MIND HEARING ABOUT THIS ROCKSLIDE? >> THE FIRST THING THAT POPPED INTO MY MIND WAS HOW UNIQUE THE SITUATION WAS, I ALSO WANTED TO SHARE CONDOLENCES TO THOSE WHO PASSED AND WISH GOOD HEALING FOR THOSE WHO ARE MENDING. IT WAS A UNIQUE SITUATION THERE IS NO QUESTION AND HERE AT BC ADVENTURE SMART WE TALK ABOUT PERSONAL PREPAREDNESS AND GROUP DYNAMIC AND WHAT TO DO IN EMERGENCY. A PERSON IN THIS UNIQUE SITUATION THIS UNIQUE EXPERIENCE THAT THEY HAVE. >> Michelle: WHAT MAKES IT SO UNIQUELY. >> WE ALWAYS FALL BACK TO OUR TRIFECTA OF SAFETY. IT WAS UNIQUE BECAUSE IT WAS NOT EASILY FORECASTED. WE DID NOT KNOW IF IT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN. THE SITUATION WHERE THE HIKERS WERE UNAWARE OF THE SITUATION IN THE CONDITIONS IN THAT TERRAIN. >> Michelle: , OKAY,, WHY DO YOU THINK THAT WAS. WHAT MADE IT NOT EASILY FORECASTED AND WHAT WAS UNIQUE ABOUT THE SPECIFIC CONDITIONS OF THE SLIDE THEY COULD TALK ABOUT. >> I THINK TO WINTER CONDITIONS THERE IS FORECASTERS THAT ALLOW US TO UNDERSTAND THE HOUSE OR ITS THOSE HAZARDS FOR CERTAIN TERRAIN DURING THE WINTER TIME. THAT’S UPDATED BY AVALANCHE CANADA WHERE AWARE OF THOSE TERRAIN BECAUSE IT DOES BASED ON CONDITIONS. IN THE SUMMER WE COULD DUE RESEARCH AND PLAN WHEN THERE IS HIGHER ELEVATIONS OR TRAIL HAZARDS OR TRAIL WORK BEING DONE TO TAKE SAFELY TO REACH HER DESTINATION WHICH IS HOME THIS IS A UNIQUE ONE BUT AGAIN I SAID SAID EARLIER, NOT FORECASTED, HOW WOULD WE HAVE KNOWN THIS WAS GOING TO HAPPEN IN THAT SITUATION. >> Michelle: HOW EASY WAS IT TO DO THAT? I KNOW IT AVALANCHE RISK, THEIR WARNINGS AND THERE CONDITIONS THAT ARE DESCRIBED BY AVALANCHE CANADA WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO DETERMINE WHAT THE RISK OF ROCK FALL IS IN TWO FORECASTED? >> THAT’S A MESSAGE I’M SHARING IN THE SENSE THAT I DON’T KNOW HOW THAT WOULD’VE BEEN FORECASTED AND WHAT I HAVE LEARNED AS WELL THROUGH NEWS AS WELL, THIS WAS A UNIQUE SITUATION BASED ON THAT THAT IT WAS NOT FORECASTED TO BE A HAZARDOUS AREA. AND NOT MONITOR THAT WAY, SO THE HIKERS WENT THERE, BASED ON THEIR INTEREST AND LOVE OF AN AREA AND BEING OUTDOORS. AGAIN IT WAS A VERY UNIQUE SITUATION. >> Michelle: MATT, YOU HAVE ACTUALLY TRAVELLED TO THIS AREA, BOW LAKE, CAN YOU DESCRIBE FOR US WHY PEOPLE DUE LOVE IT. WHAT IS IT LOOK LIKE AND HOW POPULAR IS IT. >> ABSOLUTELY FIRST LIKE TO TO SAY MY THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS OR FOR AFFECTED FAMILIES I HOPE EVERYONE GETS OUT SAFE IT’S A VERY BEAUTIFUL AREA. THERE’S A REASON WHY IT’S SO POPULAR, IT’S VERY ACCESSIBLE AND THAT DOES POSE AND BRING MORE DANGER OF THE ACCESSIBILITY PEOPLE THAT MIGHT NOT BE THE MOST PREPARED COULD WANDER OFF AND THINGS COULD HAPPEN. SO IT’S ALWAYS IMPORTANT TO BE PREPARED PLAN AHEAD KNOW YOUR ROUTE. >> Michelle: OPEN UP THE PHONE NUMBERS AND ASKED PEOPLE NO GHOST OR YOUR MIND HEARING ABOUT THIS ROCK FALL THAT HAS KILLED TWO PEOPLE AS CONFIRMED NOW AND BANFF NATIONAL PARK. WHEN USING ABOUT THE RISKS OF OUTDOOR RECREATION HOW YOU PLAN AND PREPARE? GIVE US A CALL. CALL US AT 1-800-825-5950, (604) 669-3733, OR POUND 690 ON YOUR CELL PHONE. YOU CAN ALSO E-MAIL US AT [email protected]. GUESTS ARE MATTHEW MASSA, A TRAVEL AND ADVENTURE PHOTOGRAPHER POSTING ON INSTAGRAM AT THIS MATT EXIST AND SANDRA RICHES, THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF B.C. ADVENTURE SMART WHICH IS AN EDUCATION PROGRAM FOR OUTDOOR RECREATION. SANDRA, I’M REALLY STILL THINKING ABOUT THAT DESCRIPTION FROM THE WITNESS FROM JACKSON AND HEARING HER SAY THAT I HEARD THIS VERY LOUD CRACKING SOUND. CAN YOU DESCRIBED WHAT IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING WHEN IRAQ FALLS AWAY AWAY FROM THE MOUNTAIN. >> I THINK WE CAN ALL ENVISION A LANDSLIDE OR ROCKSLIDE AND WHAT WE’VE ALL SEEN ON THE NEWS AND COMPARE THAT WITH YOU WILL TO AN AVALANCHE IN SNOW COMING DOWN AS WELL AND THE MASS OF THE MOUNTAINSIDE COMING DOWN TO WHAT MIGHT BE BELOW. WE KNOW LOOK AT HAVEL AND DOES HAPPEN IN AN AVALANCHE SITUATION AND HOW WE PREPARE FOR THAT IS UNIQUE AND VERY SPECIFIC WITH THE TRAINING WE ALL TAKE AND EDUCATE OTHERS TO HADN’T AVALANCHE TERRAIN. I THINK THE ADVENTURE SMART AND WHAT THE OTHER GASTON SAID TOO. THE PREPARATIONS AND THE GROUP DYNAMICS OR CRITICAL IN ANY SITUATION AND WE ALL PLAY A ROLE AS YOU PLAN FOR YOUR ADVENTURE. SCALES AND ABILITIES AND KNOWLEDGE. MAKE SURE YOU ARE OFF LOOKING OUT FOR ANOTHER AND TALK ABOUT THIS BEFORE THE ADVENTURE IN AN EMERGENCY. COME UP WITH AN EMERGENCY, MAKE UP ONE. YOU COULD USE OF THE TOP THREE REASONS FOR SEARCH AND RESCUE AS YOUR SCENARIOS. THE FIRST ONE IS INJURY. TALK ABOUT WHAT YOU WOULD DO AND HOW YOU WOULD MANAGE AND ASSESS THE INJURY IN YOUR GROUP. WHAT WOULD YOU DO SO AND GOT LOST OR DISORIENTED OR IF SOMEONE EXCEEDED OUR ABILITIES. THOSE ARE THREE OF THE TOP REGIONS THOSE REASONS FOR SEARCH AND RESCUE IN BRITISH COLUMBIA. GROUP DYNAMICS OR CRITICAL. THAT EASY ACCESS COULD REALLY GIVE ENTHUSIAST A FALSE SENSE OF MATURITY AND THAT UNAWARENESS OF TERRAIN AND CONDITION PLAYS A ROLE AS WELL. THERE’S LOTS TO IN TO AS YOU PLAN FOR YOUR ADVENTURES. I LIKE TO REMIND EVERYONE, PLEASE TALK ABOUT WHAT IF SOMEONE GETS LOST, WHAT IF SOMEONE GETS INJURED, WHAT IF SOMEONE DOES EXCEED THERE ABILITIES TALK ABOUT WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO DO IN THAT SITUATION. >> Michelle: THAT’S REALLY IMPORTANT. MATT, THANKFULLY YOU HAVE NOT COME ACROSS A SITUATION, A CONCERNING SITUATION YOU CERTAINLY THOUGHT ABOUT IT AND PLAN FOR IT. TELL ME ABOUT WHAT GOES YOUR MIND, WHAT YOUR THOUGHT PROCESS IS AS YOU PLAN. >> YES, THANKFULLY I’VE NEVER BEEN IN AN EMERGENCY SITUATION, BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE IN FRONT OF YOUR MIND WHEN YOU GO OUT INTO THE BACKCOUNTRY. SOME THINGS I DUE TO PREPARE IS A STUDY THE MAP OF THE TRAIL BEFORE. ALL TRAILS IS A GREAT RESOURCE FOR THIS. IT ALLOWS YOU TO ACTUALLY DOWNLOAD A MAP OF THE TRAIL, AND USE IT OFF-LINE TO REFERENCE. KEEPS YOU ON TRAIL AND IT WILL ACTUALLY NOTIFY YOU IF YOU WANDER OFF TRAIL THAT’S THE BIGGEST THING FOR ME IS STUDYING THE ROUTE AND KNOW WHAT YOU’RE GETTING INTO BEFORE YOU GO. PACKING EXTRA LAYERS IN CASE YOU SPEND MORE TIME THEN YOU ANTICIPATED OUT THERE. A LITTLE BIT EXTRA FOOD TOO STUFF LIKE THAT, LEAVE NO TRACE IS ALSO A THING THAT SHOULD BE AT FRONT OF MIND AS WELL. BUT IN TERMS OF SAFETY, KNOWING THE ROOT, KNOWING THE TRAIL AND WHAT YOU GET INTO BEFORE YOU GO OUT IS CRITICAL. >> Michelle: LET’S TAKE A CALL NOW AS WE ASK YOU WHAT ARE THE PREPARATIONS, HOW DO YOU PLAN FOR OUTDOOR RECREATION AND WE WILL HEAR ABOUT RISKS OF ROCK FALLS AND THIS IS IN LIGHT OF A DEADLY ROCK FALL AND BANFF NATIONAL PARK. WE ASK YOU FOR YOUR THOUGHTS HOW DO YOU PLAN AND PREPARE FOR OUTDOOR RECREATION YOURSELF. WHAT ARE YOUR OWN SAFETY STRATEGIES. INTERESTING TO HERE ABOUT ASKING THE WHAT-IFS AND UNDERSTANDING THE GROUP DYNAMICS AS WELL LET US KNOW HOW YOU TAKE THOSE INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN YOU MAKE YOUR PLANS 1-800— CALL US AT 1-800-825-5950, (604) 669-3733, OR POUND 690 ON YOUR CELL PHONE. YOU CAN ALSO E-MAIL US AT [email protected]. IAN IS ON THE LINE IN VICTORIA. GO AHEAD, HOW DO YOU PLAN FOR YOUR OWN BACKPACKING TRIPS OR HEADING OUT INTO THE BACKCOUNTRY? >> THANK YOU FOR TAKING MY CALL. ONE THING I’VE ALWAYS FELT THAT WAS VERY IMPORTANT WAS TO BE PREPARED TO ABANDON YOUR AMBITION AS YOU CARRY ON. YOU MAY ENCOUNTER SITUATIONS THAT ARE DANGEROUS OR POSSIBLY DANGEROUS AND MANY PEOPLE WE’LL SAY, WE REALLY WANT TO GET TO THE TOP OF THAT RIDGE, THAT SUMMIT, THAT LAKE , BUT THERE’S A SKETCHY SITUATION IN BETWEEN. YOU HAVE TO BE PREPARED TO SAY CAN’T DO IT. TURN AROUND AND GO BACK. IN MANY PEOPLE UNFORTUNATELY WE’LL SAY, TO HECK WITH IT, WE WILL GO ANYWAYS. THIS IS A REALLY BAD IDEA. YOU HAVE TO THINK THAT ALSO MOST ACCIDENTS OCCUR ON THE RETURN. THERE IS A SENSE THAT ONCE YOU GOT TO THAT SUMMIT, THAT RIDGE, THE ACCOMPLISHMENT IS DONE AND ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS GET BACK. NO. YOU’RE ONLY HALFWAY THERE. AND ON THE RETURN, WITH THE DAYS GETTING SHORT, IT’S GETTING COLDER, IT GETS DARK. AND YOU’RE TIRED, PERHAPS DEHYDRATED. AND IF YOUR COMING DOWN A HILL, GOING UP A HILL IS MUSCLE WORK GOING DOWNHILL IS TENDON WORK. MANY PEOPLE OR NOT REALLY PREPARED FOR THAT SO YOU COULD GET TWISTED LIMBS AND WHAT HAVE YOU. AND ALWAYS STICK TO THE TRAIL. NO SHORTCUTS BUT MOST IMPORTANT IS IF YOU’RE GOING UP, IF YOU REALLY HAVE AN AMBITION OF GETTING TO YOUR DESTINATION BUT SEE YOU COME TO A SNOW SLOPE THERE’S WATER POURING UNDERNEATH YOU DON’T KNOW HOW MELTED OUTAGES, JUST AS AN EXAMPLE, DON’T DO IT. YOU HAVE TO BE PREPARED TO BE DISAPPOINTED AND SAY WE JUST CANNOT DO IT, TURN AROUND AND GO HOME AND FIND SOMETHING ELSE TO DO. >> Michelle: HAVE YOU HAD TO MAKE YOU THAT DECISION YOURSELF, IAN? >> OH HEAVENS YES. SPRINGTIME, SNOW SO. WATER POURING DOWN. ‘S UNDERNEATH, YOU DO NOT KNOW HOW MELTED OUT. YOU CAN’T TELL. MIGHT BE AFOOT, IT MIGHT BE AN INCH, EVEN IF YOU COULD GET IT ACROSS AND ON THE WAY UP, IT’S CONTINUING TO MELT ALL THE WHOLE TIMES THAT ARE UP THERE TODAY IF YOU CALCULATE OUTCOME MELTED IS ON THE WAY BACK. THERE NO GUARDRAILS, NATURE DOES NOT CARE THE ONE THING ABOUT NATURE IS IT IS COMPLETELY INDIFFERENT. AND DON’T LET YOUR AMBITIONS GET AHEAD OF YOUR WISDOM. >> Michelle: WELL, SUCH WISE WORDS IAN. DON’T LET YOUR AMBITION GET IN THE WEIGHT OF YOUR WISDOM. GLAD YOU MADE THOSE CALLS. WHEN SAFETY BECAME A QUESTION. THAT IS THE END IN VICTORIA. WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS. I CAN SEE BOTH OF MY GUESTS NODDING ALONG. MATT, HAVE YOU HAD TO DO THAT YOURSELF AND SAY THIS JUST SEEMS A LITTLE TOO RISKY AND I WILL TO TURN AROUND HERE. >> YES I’VE MADE A LOT OF THOSE CALLS BEFORE FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS, SNOW COMING IN, CLOUD COMING IN, IT HURTS. IN THE MOMENT YOU REALLY WANT TO GET TO THE TOP AND YOU REALLY WANT TO GET THAT EPIC PHOTO. BUT YOU HAVE TO KEEP SAFETY IN MIND AND IF YOUR GUT IS TELLING YOU MAYBE I SHOULDN’T DO THIS, BUT YOU SHOULD PROBABLY LISTEN TO YOUR GUT. >> Michelle: AND SANDRA, WHAT ABOUT FOR YOURSELF WHAT WAS YOUR GOAT — GOING THROUGH YOUR MIND LISTENING TO IAN THERE? PARDON ME, “AHEAD. >> IAN HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD AND I AGREE WITH MATT. THERE’S NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT. EVERYTHING THAT WAS SAID WAS COMPLETELY CORRECT. USING THAT SOUND JUDGEMENT TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS HAVE THAT APPLY TO YOUR TRIP PLANNING AS WELL. WHAT DO WE DO IF WE GET PARTWAY AND SOMETHING HAPPENS AND WE NEED TO TURN AROUND, WEATHER CONDITIONS, INJURY, SOMEONE DID NOT BREAKFAST, WHATEVER THE REASON IS. HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS IN YOUR TRIP PLANS SO WHEN YOU HAVE SOME ON THE TRAIL YOU ALREADY REVIEWED IT A LITTLE BIT AND EVERYONE OPEN TO CONVERSATION AND COME UP WITH THOSE SCENARIOS AGAIN AND THEN YOUR SOUND JUDGEMENT TO TURN AROUND AND SAVE IT FOR ANOTHER DAY IS A VERY SMART GOOD DECISION. AS A CALLER SAID, THE PEAK, THE SUMMIT, THAT’S ONLY HALFWAY. WE ALWAYS TALK ABOUT REACHING OUR DESTINATION AND REMIND EVERYONE THAT OUR DESTINATION IS HOME. >> Michelle: YOU SAID THAT EARLIER TOO. YOUR DESTINATION IS HOME THINK ABOUT YOUR OWN MENTAL AND PHYSICAL STATE AS YOU ARE TRAVERSING DOWNWARDS. YOU NEED EVERYTHING, YOUR WITS ABOUT YOU AS WELL. THANK YOU SO MUCH IAN FOR THAT. I WANT TO ASK YOU AS WELL. WE HAVE AN EMAIL FROM PAIRE WHO WRITES, MY CONDOLENCES TO THE PEOPLE AND FAMILIES WHO WERE INJURED AT BOW GLACIER FALLS. HOWEVER,, ROCK FALL THE MOUNTAINS IS NOT UNIQUE OR USUAL THAT ESPECIALLY IN THE ROCKIES AND ESPECIALLY FOR USE AND THAW CYCLES AND I KNOW SANDRA YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT JUST HOW THIS WAS NOT SOMETHING WE COULD’VE PREDICTED GIVEN THE SITUATION THERE RIGHT NOW, BUT I HAVE BEEN READING ABOUT HOW COMMON ROCK FALL CAN BE IN THE ROCKIES. I GUESS YOU TO CALL THE ROTTEN ROCKIES FOR THAT REASON AND THIS TIME OF YEAR, ARE THERE MORE INCIDENTS GIVEN THAT WE ARE JUST OUT OF THE SPRING THAW? >> VALID POINT. MY POINT TO THE UNIQUENESS OF IT IS HIKERS IN THE AREA AND THE INCIDENT THAT HAPPENED IN RELATION TO THE SLIDES THAT DO HAPPEN NATURALLY IN THE WILDERNESS OUTDOORS ESPECIALLY NOT TERRAIN AND THAT REGION OF CANADA. NOT UNIQUE IN THAT SENSE, BUT UNIQUE IN RELATION TO THE HIKERS THAT WERE IN THAT REGION UNFORTUNATE INCIDENT. >> Michelle: ARE YOU SEEING ANY CHANGES, GIVEN THE IMPACT OF CLIMATE CHANGE ON WAY SNOWMELT IS HAPPENING AND WHAT’S HAPPENING WITH ROCK FACES, ARE THINGS CHANGING WHEN IT COMES TO THE CONDITIONS ON MOUNTAINS AS A RESULT OF CLIMATE CHANGE, SANDRA? >> I THINK ON A WHOLE, WE ARE FACING DIFFERENT CONDITIONS, DIFFERENT CIRCUMSTANCES, AND IT’S MAKING IT VERY UNIQUE FOR ENTHUSIASTS TO PLAN AHEAD FOR UNUSUAL SITUATIONS AN UNUSUAL WEATHER. AND I KNOW WE HAVE HOSTED A FEW EXPERT GUESTS IN OUR WEBINAR SERIES OVER THIS SEASON AND I KNOW WE HAVE TALKED TO GUESTS ABOUT CLIMATE READINESS, THIS I WE TITLED IT, SPECIFICALLY TO WILDFIRES COMES TO MIND AND HOW HIKERS HAVE BEEN CAUGHT BY WILDFIRES THAT GO OUT FOR AN ADVENTURE OR A HIKE AND CONDITIONS CHANGE AND I CAN’T SAY ENOUGH ABOUT OUR FIRST TEE OF OUR THREE TEAS WHICH WE CALL THE TRIFECTA OF SAFETY. THAT TRIP PLANNING PEACE IS CRITICAL TO YOUR SAFETY AND FOLDING IN THOSE PIECES OF CLIMATE READINESS, IF ITS FLOODWATER, IF IT SWIFT WATER, IF ITS MELT FREEZE, IF IT IS AVALANCHE CONDITIONS, IF IT IS WILDFIRES, LIMITED VISIBILITY, THE LIST GOES ON IN THE LIST IS DIFFERENT NOW THAN IT WAS YEARS AGO. AND I THINK AS WE ADJUST WITH MOTHER NATURE’S NEW TRENDS, WE NEED TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE PREPARED. INPUTS A LOT MORE ONUS ON US AS OUTDOOR ENTHUSIASTS IN ONE OF THE PROVINCES IN CANADA THAT HAS THE MOST SEARCH AND RESCUE CALLS. >> Michelle: GOOD TO NOTE AS WELL THE FLOOD RISK THERE AS WELL. IN BC, THERE HAVE BEEN ISSUED FLOOD WATCHES THROUGHOUT PARTS OF THE SOUTHERN INTERIOR, THE SOUTHEAST AND THE CARIBOO AS WELL AND HIGH STREAMFLOW ADVISORIES FOR THAT PEACE REGION SO IT’S REALLY GOOD REMINDER FOR WHAT WE ARE DEALING WITH HERE IN D.C. LET’S TAKE AND ONE MORE CALL FROM GOLDEN. KATHY IS ON THE LINE. YOU HAVE SPENT QUITE A BIT OF TIME IN THE MOUNTAINS, I IMAGINE. >> YES, WE DO, MY HUSBAND AND I HAVE QUITE A BIT. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A FEW QUICK POINTS. DEFINITELY TELL OTHER PEOPLE WHERE YOU ARE GOING. OUR DAUGHTER LIVE HERE TOO, SO WHEREVER WE GO HIKING, WE TELL HER WE ARE GOING UP THIS MOUNTAIN WE SHOULD BE BACK BY THIS TIME. IF WE ARE NOT THEIR, THEN COME LOOKING. AND WE TAKE A DEVICE WHICH ARE SOMETHING IF YOU’RE IN AN AREA WHERE THERE IS NO SERVICE, A LOT OF PLACES AROUND HERE THERE’S NO SERVICE. YOU CANNOT PHONE ANYONE IN 911 BECAUSE YOU DON’T HAVE ANY WAY TO DO THAT, SO THE DEVICE IS A WAY TO DO THAT AND AS A BACKCOUNTRY BACKUP TO BE ABLE TO CALL TO SOMEONE WHEN YOU HAVE A PROBLEM, THAT IS THE ZOLEO DEVICE. AND ANOTHER THING A SIX YEARS AGO WE HAD TO RESCUE A WOMAN OFF THE MOUNTAIN BECAUSE SHE HAD HEAT EXHAUSTION AND WE NEEDED A LECTURE LIGHTS AND WE NEEDED A LECTURE LIGHTS BECAUSE WE DIDN’T HAVE ANY IN OUR PACK. YOU JUST NEEDED A LITTLE PILL YOU CAN CARRY WITH YOU YOU CANNOT WATER. >> Michelle: KATHY, I WILL JUST JUMP IN. BUT I WILL JUST LET OUR AUDIENCE KNOW WE WILL PAUSE FOR TV AD BREAK BUT WE WILL BE BACK WITH YOU IN 2 MINUTES FROM NOW. >> OKAY. >> Michelle: AND KATHY, YES. AND I JUST WANT TO GO BACK TO YOUR POINT ABOUT THE ZOLEO. THIS IS A SATELLITE COMMUNICATION DEVICE. >> YES. >> Michelle: JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR FOR PEOPLE AT THERE LISTENING AND THINKING, WHAT IS THAT DEVICE. AND THE OTHER THING AS WELL, KEEP ELECTROLYTES. WATER IS NOT ENOUGH IF YOU ARE DEHYDRATED. >> WE HAD A LOT OF WATER WITH US, WE WAS BRING EXTRA WATER BECAUSE WEEK THERE WERE NO STREAMS WE KNEW THAT WITH A HOT HOT DAY. AND THIS WOMAN WAS A VERY EXPERIENCED HIKER AS WELL. BUT SHE JUST DIDN’T THINK TO DO THAT AND RAN OUT OF WATER AND TSUNAMI LEFT. WE HAD TO HELP HER OUT AND GET A HELICOPTER IN AND HIJACKER OUT OF THERE TO GET HER OUT. ENCHANTED UP IN THE HOSPITAL OVERNIGHT. BUT SHE MADE IT. BUT IF WE HAD HAD A LECTURE LIGHTS, IT WOULD’VE BEEN A LOT BETTER OF A SITUATION FOR HER. >> Michelle: KATHY, REALLY GOOD TO HERE FROM YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH RECALLING AND. >> THANK YOU. >> Michelle: T CARE — TAKE CARE. THAT WAS KATHY IN GOLDEN. SANDRA, I KNOW YOU HAVE THE TEN ESSENTIALS POSTED ON YOUR WEBSITE. WE ARE RUNNING THE LIST ALONGSIDE OUR SCREEN HERE AS WELL. BUT PERHAPS YOU COULD JUST QUICKLY GO THROUGH THEM FOR PEOPLE. >> REALLY IMPORTANT WE TALK ABOUT TRIP PLANNING AND TAKING ESSENTIALS THOSE ARE THE THREE TEAS. TRIP PLANNING IS CRITICAL FOUNDATION OF YOUR PACK IS CRITICAL AND DON’T FORGET TO ADD SEASON AND SPORT SPECIFIC AND PERSONAL ITEMS. SO IN THE SUMMER YOU HAVE LIKE A LIGHT SOURCE HEADLAMP FLASHLIGHT IS GREAT. OF FIRE KIT IS KNOW-HOW — AS LONG AS YOU NOT USE IT SAFELY. A SIGNALLING DEVICE, THAT COULD BE A MIRROR AND/OR A WHISTLE. EXTRA FOOD AND WATER. THE KEY TO THAT IS EXTRA FOR YOUR ADVENTURE IN CASE OF AN EMERGENCY. EXTRA CLOTHING. ALWAYS SYNTHETIC, NEVER CAUGHT IN. NAVIGATION AND COMMUNICATION DEVICES. RECALL OR MAKES A GREAT POINT. WE JUST DID A WEBINAR ABOUT MUTATION DEVICES AND TECHNOLOGY. YOU CAN FIND THAT ON THE BC SEARCH AND RESCUE ASSOCIATION YOUTUBE AND IT WAS ALL ABOUT ZOLEO A GREAT PRIMERICA MITIGATION DEVICE AND YOURSELF OWN IS YOUR SECONDARY MEANS OF COMMUNICATION. THE LIST CONTINUES WITH A FIRST AID KIT, EMERGENCY SHELTER, UTILITY KNIFE OR POCKET KNIFE AND SUN PROTECTION. AND THEN AGAIN, DON’T FORGET SPORT SPECIFIC. HIGHER ELEVATION YOU MAY WANT TO HAVE A PAIR OF GATORS TO PROTECT THE LOWER PARTS OF YOUR BOOTS AND SHOES. HIKING POLES, PERSONAL ITEMS COULD BE SPECIFIC FOOD, DIETARY NEEDS, MEDICATION, LOSSES. >> NO. >> Michelle: FOR THOSE OF US WHO ARE JUST JOINING US, THAT WAS SANDRA RICHES, THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF B.C. ADVENTURE SMART GOING TO THE TEN ESSENTIALS THERE BUT ALSO SANG SOME SEASON SPECIFIC ITEMS AND PERSONAL ITEMS AS WELL YOU NEED TO KEEP WITH YOU, BUT IN TERMS OF THE TEN ESSENTIALS, A LIGHT SOURCE A FLASHLIGHT IT FIRE MAKING KIT AND MAKE HER YOU KNOW HOW TO USE IT, A SIGNALLING DEVICE, OUR CALL OR MENTION ZOLEO, WHICH IS A SATELLITE COMMUNICATOR. FOOD, WATER, EXTRA CLOTHING, NAVIGATION AND COMMUTE OCCASION DEVICE, AND FIRST AID KITS AS WELL AS AN EMERGENCY BLANKET OR SHELTER, POCKETKNIFE PROTECTION. AND YOU CAN YOU CAN ALSO GO TO IT ADVENTURE SMART.CA FOR THAT LIST. LET ME WRAP UP HERE WITH MAC. MATTHEW MASSA, A TRAVEL AND ADVENTURE PHOTOGRAPHER. I KNOW YOU POST A LOT ON YOUR INSTAGRAM. WE KNOW BECAUSE OF SOCIAL MEDIA, MORE PEOPLE WHO MAY NOT BE EXPERIENCED OR HEADING OUT INTO THE OUTDOORS. WHAT ADVICE WOULD YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE ALSO EDUCATED AND PREPARED FOR DOING SO? >> PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING THAT THE OTHER PERSON WAS SAYING. JUST KNOW THE ROOT, PACK MORE THAN YOU NEED. A SATELLITE COMMUNICATOR IS REALLY GOOD TO HAVE ONE OF THESE. IT WEIGHS NOTHING, YOU JUST RODE IN YOUR BAG AND FORGET ABOUT IT AND YOU WILL NEED TO USE IT IF SOMETHING HAPPENS. EVERYTHING SHE SAID, LIGHTS, FIRE MAKING KIT, KNOW I USE IT. THAT’S ANOTHER BIG THING. KNOW-HOW USER KIT. IT’S ONE THING TO JUST THROW IT IN YOUR BAG, BUT WHEN PUSH COMES TO SHOVE IN ITS TIME TO USE IT, YOU HAVE TO KNOW HOW TO USE IT. >> Michelle: YES. HERE’S TO STAYING SAFE IN THE OUTDOORS. THANK YOU SO MUCH TO BOTH OF YOU FOR JOINING US. >> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. >> Michelle: THAT WAS SANDRA RICHES, THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF B.C. ADVENTURE SMART, WHICH IS A NATIONAL EDUCATION PROGRAM FOR PEOPLE PARTICIPATING IN OUTDOOR RECREATION ACTIVITIES. MATTHEW MASSA, A TRAVEL AND ADVENTURE PHOTOGRAPHER WHO POSTS ON INSTAGRAM AT THIS MATT EXISTS. IT’S 12:30 TWO NOW. YOU ARE WITH BC TODAY ON CBC. I AM MICHELLE ELIOT. AND STILL AHEAD, WE WILL HEAR ABOUT WHAT YOU COULD BE PLANTING RIGHT NOW IN TIME FOR A FAULT WITH BRIAN MINTER AND AS ALWAYS, HE WILL TAKE YOUR QUESTIONS ABOUT GARDENING. RIGHT NOW, IT’S TIME FOR CBC NEWS UPDATE WITH ROB ZIMMERMAN. ♪ ♪ >> Rob: GOOD AFTERNOON, THE PROVINCIAL GOVERNMENT IS PROMISING TO CRACK DOWN ON VIOLENT REPEAT OFFENDERS. THE PUBLIC SAFETY MINISTER GARY BIGS SAID A POLICE PROGRAM WHICH FOCUSES ON VIOLENT REPEAT OFFENDERS IS GETTING A $6 MILLION BOOST BRINGING TOTAL FUNDING TO 17 MILLION. HE SAID THAT THE PROGRAM HELPED BRING A 27% DROP IN VIOLENT CRIME IN VANCOUVER’S 18th CROSSING AREA. AND QUESTIONS OR BEING RAISED OVER AN ADDITIONAL $5 MILLION FROM THE CITY OF VANCOUVER’S BUDGET THAT WENT TO TASK FORCE BARRAGE. THE MONEY IS TO HELP FUND POLICE EFFORTS DEL TACO CRIME AND IMPROVE PUBLIC SAFETY IN THE DOWNTOWN EASTSIDE. CITY COUNCILOR PETE FREY SAID THAT THE PROJECT FUNDING WAS NOT APPROVED BY COUNCIL. AND ENVIRONMENT CANADA HAS ISSUED SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WATCHES AND SPECIAL WEATHER STATEMENT FOR HEAVY RAIN FOR A LARGE SECTION OF SOUTHEASTERN BC THE ADVISORY SAID CONDITIONS ARE FAVOURABLE FOR SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS THAT COULD PRODUCE HEAVY RAIN AND FLASH FLOODING. AND NOW, TAKING A LOOK AT THE FORECAST, ON THE NORTH COAST, SUNNY THIS AFTERNOON WITH A HIGH OF 17. CAUSED A 17 WITH A CHANCE OF SHOWERS IN THE PEACE. IN THE CENTRAL INTERIOR INCLUDING PRINCE GEORGE, MAINLY CLOUDY WITH A HIGH OF 21. HEIST 18 WITH A CHANCE OF SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS IN THE KOOTENAYS. AND THE SOUTHERN INTERIOR INCLUDING POLONA, A HIGH OF 22 WAS SHOWERS AND A RISK OF SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS. AND FOR METRO VANCOUVER GREATER VICTORIA AND THE FRASER VALLEY, HIGHS TO 16 WAS SHOWERS THIS AFTERNOON, RAIN STARTING TONIGHT. THAT’S YOUR CBC NEWS UPDATE FROM VANCOUVER. >> Michelle: THANK YOU SO MUCH, ROB. THAT WAS ROB ZIMMERMAN IN THE CBC VANCOUVER NEWSROOM. AND THANK YOU FOR JOINING US ON CBC RADIO ONE, CBC TELEVISION, LIVE STREAMING AS WELL ON CBC’S NEWS APP AND ON OUR CBC BRITISH COLUMBIA YOUTUBE PAGE. LOTS MORE ON TODAY’S TOP STORIES COMING UP ON THE AFTERNOON SHOWS ON YOUR CBC RADIO ONE NETWORK AND HERE’S WHAT’S COMING UP ON THE COAST. 3 HELLO MICHELLE, IT’S ADJACENT TO SOUSA HERE. STILL AHEAD, ON THE COAST THIS AFTERNOON, THE LOWER MAINLAND HAS SEEN A STRING OF DISTRACTION THEFTS TARGETING SENIORS. ONE OF THE VICTIMS HAD A NECKLACE RIPPED RIGHT OFF OF HIS NECK IN THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBOURHOOD. WILL HEAR MUCH MORE ABOUT THAT. AND IT IS A FRIDAY AFTERNOON. BEFORE WE HEAD INTO THE WEEKEND, WE WILL HEAR FROM OUR POP-CULTURE COLUMNIST ON THE COAST BEGINS AT 3:00. >> Michelle: THAT WAS JASON TO SOUSA WHO IS GUEST POSTING IN THE LOWER MAINLAND THIS WEEK ON ON THE COAST. HE WILL BE BACK SOON ENOUGH WITH ALL POINTS WEST. DON’T WORRY OVER THERE AND VICTORIA. YESTERDAY ON THE SHOW, VANCOUVER AND VICTORIA IN FACT OUR 2 OF 9 MUNICIPALITIES CALLING ON THE PROVINCE TO LEGISLATE HOUSING AS A HUMAN RIGHT. WE SPOKE WITH THE VANCOUVER CITY COUNCILOR SEAN OR ABOUT THAT AND GOT THE EMAILS. YVETTE WRITES FROM COMOX, WE HAVE TO BE MINDFUL OF OUR LARGER HOME, THE ENVIRONMENT. I WERE IN A RUSH TO BUILD HOMES WE TAKE OUT THE TREES THAT PROVIDE US WITH CLEAN AIR TO BREATHE AND MITIGATE THE EFFECTS OF CLIMATE CHANGE. IN THE COMOX VALLEY, ICY DEVELOPERS WHO RUSH TO CLEAR A LOT BEFORE THEY BUILD SO-CALLED AFFORDABLE HOUSES. BRAD RIGHTS OR NELSON, HOW DO YOU PLAN TO PAY FOR THIS RIGHT? CANADA RUNS A $60 BILLION DEFICIT. BC RUNS A DEFICIT. OUR PRIORITY SHOULD BE PAYING OUR BILLS. DON’T MAKE OUR GRANDCHILDREN SUFFER BECAUSE OF OUR LACK OF FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR THOUGHTS. THAT IS BC [email protected]. ♪ ♪ >> Michelle: THE LINES OR FILLING UP. NEW CALLERS NOW. BRIAN MINTER TO SHARE GARDENING ADVICE AND TAKE HER QUESTIONS. OUR NUMBERS, CALL US AT 1-800-825-5950, (604) 669-3733, OR POUND 690 ON YOUR CELL PHONE. YOU CAN ALSO E-MAIL US AT [email protected]. BRIAN JOINS ME NOW FROM COUNTRY GARDEN LIMITED IN CHILLIWACK. LOW BRIAN, HAPPY RAINY DAY. >> HELLO MICHELLE. ALSO ANOTHER ISSUE IS TODAY IS THE LONGEST DAY OF THE YEAR. AND HERE WE ARE NOT EVEN IN JULY AND THE DAYS TOMORROW WE’LL START GETTING SHORTER IN TERMS OF GARDENING. IF THAT’S A CONCERN, IT REALLY IS. BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK IS IMPORTANT TO POINT OUT RIGHT NOW IS SO MANY OF US REALLY LOVE TO HAVE THE FALL GOING INTO WINTER FOOD IN OUR GARDEN, IN OUR LATE SPRING AND SUMMER BUT WHAT ABOUT FAULT? AND THIS IS THE PERFECT TIME OF YEAR FOR FOLKS TO START THINKING ABOUT PLANTING DIFFERENT TYPES OF PLANTS THAT WILL BE LEFT IN THE GROUND OVER WINTER. IT CERTAINLY IN THE LOWER MAINLAND AND THEN BE ABLE TO ENJOY OVER A LONGER PERIOD OF TIME. THINGS LIKE PARSNIPS, WHICH ARE NO VERY MUCH BECOMING INVOKED. BRUSSELS SPROUTS. WE HAVE SO MANY FOLKS ON THE PROGRAM NEVER SEEM TO GET THEIR BRUSSELS SPROUTS THING RIGHT. WE PUT THEM INTO EARLY OR TOO LATE. NOW IS A GOOD TIME TO PUT THEM IN TO MAKE SURE YOU GOT WONDERFUL SPROUTS TO ENJOY FOR ALL OF YOUR THANKSGIVING AND CHRISTMAS DINNERS. TURNIPS. STILL VERY, VERY POPULAR. AND WINTER SQUASH IS REALLY THE BIG ONE IN TERMS OF WHAT FOLKS ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO. YOU KNOW, THEY’RE SO GOOD. WE DON’T WANT THE GIANT ONES ANYMORE. WANT A DECENT SIZE LIKE THE ACORN SQUASH, THE BUTTERNUT, THE BUTTERCUP, THE KUBOTA — THE KABOCHA WHICH ARE NICE TO CUT IN HALF AND SERVE. WHEN YOU GO INTO SEPTEMBER AND INTO OCTOBER YOU WILL HAVE THEM ALL WINTER LONG TO ENJOY THEM. AND THEY ARE WONDERFUL AND FRESH AND NUTRITIOUS AND ALL THAT SORT OF STUFF THEY’RE NICE TO HAVE AS WELL. ANOTHER LITTLE TIDBIT HERE. YOUR PUMPKINS. IF YOU HAVE CHILDREN, IT’S A MUST-HAVE IN THE GARDEN. FOR THOSE OF YOU LOVE TO DO A BIT OF DESIGN WORK AND MAKE AUTUMN REALLY SPECIAL PLACE IN TERMS OF YOUR FRONT PORCH AND SO ON, DON’T FORGET THE DESIGNER PUMPKINS. ORANGES NICE, BUT WHAT ABOUT WHITE? WHAT ABOUT PINK, WHAT ABOUT A BEAUTIFUL TAN COLOUR, WHAT ABOUT YELLOW THE ALL NEW COLOURS OF PUMPKINS THAT FOLKS LOVE TO HAVE FOR YOUR FALL DECOR IS SOMETHING THAT’S REALLY, REALLY SPECIAL AND DON’T FORGET, PUMPKIN’S ARE EDIBLE TOO. ALL THOSE NEW VARIETIES ARE ACTUALLY DELICIOUS FOR BAKING AND SONY DIFFERENT ITEMS AS WELL SO AGAIN, HERE WE ARE, LONGEST IN THE YEAR, FIRST DAY OF SUMMER, AND A PERFECT TIME TO GET THINKING ABOUT PLANTING FALL AND WINTER IS JUST A LITTLE THING THAT I THINK IS REALLY IMPORTANT. >> Michelle: ABSOLUTELY, THE TIMING IS RIGHT RIGHT NOW TO THINK AHEAD. BRIAN MINTER IS WITH ME WAS OF COURSE OUR GARDEN COLUMNIST ON THE PROGRAM TAKING YOUR QUESTIONS TOO. CALL US AT 1-800-825-5950, (604) 669-3733, OR POUND 690 ON YOUR CELL PHONE. YOU CAN ALSO E-MAIL US AT [email protected]. DAVID HAS BEEN WAITING IN NANAIMO TO ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT SOME TOMATOES THAT A LOOK VERY HAPPY DAVID? >> THEY DON’T INDEED. I’M OUTSIDE WITH MY TOMATOES. AND IT’S DROOPY, DROOPY. I GOT ROLE OF TOMATOES. VERY DROOPY. >> Michelle: THOUGH. >> DATA, WHAT VARIETY OR YOU GROWING? >> EARLY GIRL. >> EARLY GIRL IS ONE OF THE BEST. GOOD FOR YOU. WHEN YOU SAY DROOPING, BECAUSE IT’S A BIT DRY AND THEIR WILTING WE. >> I WATER CAREFULLY YESTERDAY AND IT HAS NOT RECOVERED AT ALL. THEY HAD REALLY GOTTEN THAT DRY. >> OKAY. THERE’S ONLY TWO REASONS THAT A TOMATO WOULD WILT. NUMBER 1 IS DROUGHT AS WE TALKED ABOUT, THAT THEY WILL DROOP. IT SOMETIMES TAKES SUBMIT DATA RECOVER FROM THAT DAVID WHICH IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT. THE OTHER ONE IS THAT THEY CAN’T TOO WET, THE ROOTS ARE ROTTING AND ARE GOING BACKWARDS A BIT. THE BEST THING YOU CAN DO RIGHT NOW AS I WOULD JUST DIG DOWN WITH A LITTLE TROWEL RIGHT DOWN TO SEE IF YOU GOT NICE WHITE ROOTS DOWN LOWER BECAUSE TOMATOES BOUNCE BACK. THEIR WONDERFUL LITTLE THINGS IN TERMS OF GETTING THEM BACK IN SHAPE. SO TAKE A LOOK AT THE ROOTS AND ALSO HOTEL A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THE DRYNESS OF THE SAW — THE SOIL IF IT’S REALLY WET YOU’D BE ABLE TO TELL. AND THE OTHER THING IS, ARE YOU FEEDING THEM RIGHT NOW? >> I’VE NOT FED THEM FOR A WHILE >> I THINK AT THIS TIME, TOMATOES OR HEAVY, HEAVY FEEDERS. TWO THINGS YOU WANT TO DO RIGHT NOW DAVID IS TO LIME THEM. GET SOME LINE BECAUSE THEY WILL NEED SOME CALCIUM TO PREVENT BLOSSOM END ROT LATER. AND THAT WE’LL GIVE THEM, WHATEVER YOU USE IT FOR THOSE TOMATO FOODS OUT THERE LOTS OF THEM, EVEN SLOW RELEASE FERTILIZER THERE’S A 14-14-14 THAT LEADS DAILY EVERY DAY. THE DAVID, HONESTLY, THIS IS THE MAIN THINK DIG DOWN AND SEE WITH RICHER LIKE AND TAKE THE ACTION. BUT HONESTLY BECAUSE WE GROW TOMATOES AND ALL SORTS OF SITUATIONS THEY WILL RECOVER DAVID, HONESTLY. >> THAT’S NOT A DISEASE WILT? >> KNOW, NOT IN TOMATOES. I’VE NOT SEEN THAT IN ANY SITUATION. AND YOU’RE DEALING WITH SONY PEOPLE AND TOMATO ISSUES, LET’S NOT BEEN ONE OF THEM. SO I THINK YOU’RE OKAY THERE. >> VERY REASSURING, THANK YOU. >> Michee: IT IS REASSURING. CHECK THOSE ROOTS AND GET TO THE FEEDING. DAVID, THANK YOU SO MUCH A NANAIMO. NIKKEI IS UP NEXT NOW IN VANCOUVER WITH A QUESTION ABOUT HER JAPANESE MAPLE. >> HELLO, BRIAN MINTER. MY JAPANESE MAPLE IS IN A POT ON MY PATIO AND IT HAS DEVELOPED COTTONY MAPLE SCALE THIS YEAR, THE FORTH YEAR I’VE HAD IT ON MY PATIO AND I GOT LITTLE MARSHMALLOW BALLS UNDERNEATH THE LEAVES, SO I FIGURE IT IS COTTONY MAPLE SCALE AND I WONDER WHAT SHOULD I DO? >> Michelle: THERE’S NOT MUCH THAT IS AFFECTED AGAIN SET THEM APTLY HAVE ON THE MARKET. BUT YOU KNOW NIKKEI, THE VERY BEST THING IS HORTICULTURAL OIL. IF YOU CAN GET IT, IT’S AVAILABLE EVERYWHERE, IT’S ORGANIC. AND THERE IS RATIOS, THERE IS A DORMANT RATIO WHICH IS QUITE THICK AND A GROWING SEASON RATIO WHICH IS VERY MILD. IT’S A GROWING SEASON RATIO WE WANT. AND NIKKI, WHILE THERE IS CLOUDY WEATHER FOR THE DAYS WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IS THE PERFECT TIME TO PUT IT ON. YOU NEED TO USE AT LEAST THREE DIFFERENT SPRAYS FIVE TO SEVEN DAYS APART. UNDER THE LEAVES OF COURSE, IT WILL NOT BURN THE PLANT IF YOU USE A MILD GROWING SEASON RATIO AND THREE OR FOUR TIMES WILL GET THAT COMPLETELY CLEANED UP. IT WORKS VERY, VERY WELL. >> AND I JUST ASK YOU, I HAVE GOT NEEM OIL AND A PUT IT IN WATER AND I SPRAYED ON. >> THE PROBLEM WITH NEEM OIL WE KNOW ANECDOTALLY IT WORKS PRETTY WELL BUT WE DON’T HAVE ANY SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE AND THAT’S WHY OUR LOCAL PEST-CONTROL DEPARTMENT IN BRITISH COLUMBIA TOOK OFF THE MARKET FROM GARDEN STORES BECAUSE WE DON’T HAVE THE SCIENTIFIC BACKUP. SO I’D RATHER YOU USED HORTICULTURAL OIL BECAUSE WE HAVE THE EVIDENCE. IVAN USE ON TROPICALS. >> AND WHAT IS THE BRAND NAME? >> THERE IS NOT NECESSARILY A BRAND NAME ITS JUST CALLED HORTICULTURAL OIL. ALL GARDEN STORES CARRY IT. MUSIC FOR DORMANT SPRING AND SUMMER SPRANG. IT’S THE BEST RIGHT NOW. IT’S JUST SO GOOD AND EFFECTIVE UNSAFE AND ORGANIC. >> OKAY. SPEWING ALL THE BEST THERE NIKKI THANK YOU PRETTY MUCH. HORTICULTURAL OIL. AND IF BRIAN USES IT, YOU COULD BET. THANK YOU FOR THE CALL. DOUG IS ON THE LINE NOW IN NORTH MAN. HELLO. >> HELLO MICHELLE AND BRYAN AND BC. HOPE EVERYONE THREW WELL. >> Michelle: AND YOU. THANK YOU FOR THE CALL. >> YES. BRIAN, I GOT A WITCH HAZEL. WE HAVE HAD IT IN OUR YARD IN A SMALL SORT OF AREA BESIDE OUR DECK. AND IT HAS GOT A BIT OF LEASE CURL ACROSS THE WHOLE PLANT THIS YEAR AND AS WELL, SOME OF THE LEAVES ALMOST APPEAR LIKE THEY ARE TURNING COLOUR TOWARDS FALL WITH JUST A RED TINGE AROUND THE EDGE OF THE LEASE, SO WE TRIED HEAVILY WATERING IT FOR AN AFTERNOON, A COUPLE OF DAZE AGO, BUT IT STILL LIKE DAVID’S TOMATO PLANT, IT DOESN’T SEEM TO BE BOUNCING BACK. >> OKAY. VERY GOOD POINT. AND YOUR SMART DOUG TO GIVE IT A THOROUGH DRINK. AND YOU KNOW HONESTLY, RINGS ARE DRY OUT THERE. THEY ARE EXTREMELY DRY. WE ARE GETTING A FEW SHOWERS RIGHT NOW AND IT’S NOT ENOUGH TO DO ANYTHING. SO AROUND THE DRIP LINE OF THE TREE, KEEP WATERING IT. THE OTHER THING IS, IT’S PROBABLY LIKE A LOT OF TREES, THEY’VE BEEN AROUND FOR A LONG TIME. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE YOU ENRICH THE SOIL AROUND IT. I WOULD PUT SOMETHING LIKE SEE SOIL. YOU DON’T WANT TO USE MANURES ON ACID LOVING PLANTS BUT I WOULD USE SEA SOIL AROUND IT. BUT LIKE MOST OF US, TO BE HONEST DOUG, WERE NOT FEEDING IT. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE SOME SLOW RELEASE FERTILIZER ON IT LIKE 14-14-14. IT’S NOT UNDERWATER, LET’S IMPROVE THE SOIL AROUND THE DRIP LINE OF THE TREE IN PARTICULAR VERY, VERY IMPORTANT AND GIVE IT SOME NUTRIENTS. AND THEY WILL COME BACK, BECAUSE I’VE NOTICED THAT THAT’S REALLY GOOD POINT, DOUG, SOME OF THE BACKGROUND AREAS IN OUR NURSERY WHERE THE IRRIGATION PERHAPS DOES NOT REACH AS MUCH THE SAME THING IS HAPPENING. I THINK IT’S A WATER, IMPROVING THE SOIL, NUTRIENT ISSUE, AND DOUG, I THINK IT WILL COME BACK JUST FINE. JUST GIVE IT TWO WEEKS AND YOU SHOULD BE IN GREAT SHAPE. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MICHELLE AND BRIAN. >> Michelle: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND JUST LIKE THE TOMATOES THEY WILL BOUNCE BACK AS WELL. GOOD TO SEE YOU. MIRANDA IS CALLING US NOW WITH A GARDEN QUESTION FOR BRIAN MINTER. WELCOME. >> THANK YOU FOR TAKING MY CALL. I AM PHONING, I RECENTLY BROUGHT — BOUGHT A BUNCH OF PERENNIAL PLANTS FROM A GOOD NURSERY AND I BROUGHT, ONE OF THEM IS A COLUMBINE AND I PUT IT IN AND I’VE BEEN WATERING IT VIGOUROUSLY AND IT’S NOT DOING WELL. THE LEAVES NEAR THE BOTTOM AND NO MOVING UP ARE TURNING YELLOW AND KIND OF A PURPLISH COLOUR. DID SOME READING. THE ONLY THING THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME IS THAT I’VE ACTUALLY DROWNED IT. SO I WONDER IF PERLITE WOULD BE GOOD TO ADD UNDERNEATH THE PLANT, OR WHAT YOU MIGHT SUGGEST >> Michelle: REALLY DOES. >> REALLY GOOD QUESTION, MIRANDA. WE KIND OF HAVE THAT DUALITY OF GIVING ENOUGH WATER AND THEN IT MIGHT GET TOO WET. SO EASE UP ON THE WATER AND AS WE SPOKE ABOUT INITIALLY WITH DAVID, MAYBE JUST DIG DOWN WITH YOUR HANDS TO SEE HOW MOIST THE SOIL IS DOWN THERE. ALL OF THE COLUMBINE THERE IS A SPECIES THAT’S INCREDIBLY RESILIENT IF IT IS AQUILEGIA. BUT I WOULD CHECK AT THE SOIL. AND BARK MULCH, FIR BARK MULCH IS AMAZING BECAUSE WHAT I LOVE ABOUT IT IS WHEN THERE’S SO MUCH WATER THERE ATTEMPT OPEN THE SOIL SO THE EXCESS GOES AWAY. THAT’S WHAT I WOULD DO. AND I THINK I WOULD GIVE IT A FEW DAYS TO KIND OF SETTLE IN, BUT BY PRUNING THE FOLIAGE BACK, YOU ARE TAKING ALL OF THE PRESSURE AWAY FROM THE ROUTES. ALL YOU HAVE TO DO NOW IS GET SETTLED AND THEN AQUILEGIA WILL IMMEDIATELY START GROWING OUT OF THE CENTRE AGAIN AND I THINK YOU WOULD BE ABSOLUTELY FINE AND YOU BRING UP SUCH A GOOD POINT MIRANDA, WE CAN OVERWATER EASILY OVERWATERING IS ALWAYS WORSE THAN UNDER WATERING. THE ACTIONS WE TAKE RIGHT NOW TO GET IT SORTED OUT SHOULD BE FINE I THINK YOU KNOW WHAT YOU’RE DOING GIVE IT A FEW DAYS. >> I WANT TO WORK AT THE BARK MULCH UNDER THE ROOTS AS WELL AS AROUND THEM? >> Michelle: YES, IN AND AROUND– YES, IN AND AROUND BECAUSE YOU CHANGE THE STRUCTURE OF THE SOIL TO ALLOW BETTER DRAINAGE. ROOTS FLOOD BARK THEY JUST GO FOR IT LIKE CRAZY. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> THANK YOU MIRANDA GOOD LUCK. >> Michelle: GOOD LUCK MIRANDA, THANK YOU FOR THE CALL. A COUPLE MORE CALLERS HERE RIGHT NOW. CALL US AT 1-800-825-5950, (604) 669-3733, OR POUND 690 ON YOUR CELL PHONE. YOU CAN ALSO E-MAIL US AT [email protected]. LET’S GO TO VICTORIA AND SUSAN HAS A QUESTION ABOUT TABLE GRAPES. >> HELLO. THANK YOU FOR TAKING MY CALL. >> YOU BET. >> I’M CALLING BECAUSE I HAVE TWO BINDS, GREEN AND PURPLE TABLE GRAPES. THEIR WELL-ESTABLISHED, ABOUT 12 YEARS OLD AND THEIR THRIVING UNHEALTHY, BUT THE GRAPES, AND IT SEEMS TO BE LOTS OF GRAPES THIS YEAR, I NOTICE THE GRAPES THEMSELVES RATHER THAN ACTUALLY HOLDING THEIR SHAPE OR SORT OF TURNING ALMOST IN TO FLOWERS, AND I’M WONDERING IF THAT’S WHAT THAT MIGHT BE? >> AT THIS POINT HERE, THEY ARE STILL VERY, VERY TINY CLUSTERS. >> TINY — TEENY TINY. >> THE OTHER THING IS OR THEY SHADED BY FOLIAGE? HAVE YOU BEEN DOING A LOT OF PRUNING IN THE FOLIAGE OR THEY QUITE PROTECTED FROM THE SONICALLY. >> I HAVE PRUNED ONLY BACK TO THE FIRST — THEY ARE FAIRLY WELL PROTECTED. SOME OF THEM ARE EXPOSED, BUT THE ONES I NOTICE ARE ACTUALLY UNDER LEAVES, SO I WONDER IF THEY SHOULD BE MORE EXPOSED? >> THAT’S A VERY GOOD POINT. WE HAVE A FEW HOT DAYS AFTER A FEW COOL DAZE IT GETS VERY HOT, WE CAN GET ON ALL FRUIT, BASICALLY HEAT BURN AND THAT HAPPENS AS WELL. I WOULD BE INCLINED, THERE SO RESILIENT AND SO TOUGH, ESPECIALLY IN ESTABLISHED VINES LIKE YOU HAVE, THE ROOTS GO FOREVER. BUT ARE YOU GETTING SOME MOISTURE IN AMONGST THE ROOTS? >> YES. BECAUSE THERE’S ACTUALLY CRANBERRY GROWING UNDERNEATH THEM. >> YOU BEEN WATERING. >> I HAVE BEEN WATERING. >> GOOD. THE ONLY THING IS THE AMOUNT OF FOLIAGE AROUND AND IF YOU GOT PRETTY GOOD FOLIAGE, I WOULD TAKE A FEW LEAVES OUT, GET MORE AIR CIRCULATION THERE, A LITTLE MORE LIGHT IN THEIR, THOSE OF THE ONLY THINGS I WOULD DO. IS NOT A FEEDING ISSUE. ON A GRAPE THAT IS ESTABLISHED LIKE THAT AT ALL, SO HAS TO BE, AND YOU BEEN GIVING THE WATER, HE LOOKED AFTER THAT SITUATION, THE ONLY THING I COULD THINK OF HONESTLY, SUSAN, IS JUST OPEN THE AREA UP A BIT MORE AND JUST KEEPING AN EYE ON THEM, BECAUSE I NOTICED, WE HAVE GOT GRAPES GROWING IN OUR NURSERY THEY SEEM TO DEFINE, THERE’S NOTHING UNUSUAL HAPPENING THIS YEAR, JUST KEEP AN EYE ON IT. BUT THERE’S NOTHING SPECIFICALLY OTHER THAN A LITTLE BIT OF PRUNING OF THE FOLIAGE TO GET MORE AIR AND LIGHT IN. THAT’S ALL HE COULD REALLY DO SUSAN AT THIS POINT. >> RATE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> Michelle: THANK YOU SUSAN FOR THE QUESTION. ALLEN AT PORT McNEILL. GO AHEAD WHAT IS YOUR QUESTION FOR BRIAN MINTER. >> THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE CALL. MY SUITE PEAS GERMINATED QUITE WELL AND NO THERE ABOUT THREE OR 4 INCHES TALL AND THEY’VE STALLED. THEY WILL NOT GROW ANY TALLER AND THEY HAVE BEEN SITTING THERE FOR SEVERAL WEEKS NOW WITHOUT INCREASING THEIR HEIGHT AT ALL. THERE IS A NET NEAR THEM, BUT I DON’T KNOW WHAT TO DO. >> YES. A LITTLE BIT ODD. OUR PROBLEM IS WE CANNOT STOP THEM. LIKE SLOW DOWN, GUYS. >> THERE ARE SOME THAT WITH ALLEN, YES — SHARE SOME OF THAT WITH ALLEN. >> WHAT ARE YOU FEEDING THEM? >> WE PLANTED THEM A MIXTURE WITH RICH SOIL AND SEA SOIL. WE GAVE THEM 202020 BUT WE DON’T OVERDO IT. UNDERSTAND ANITA RICH COMPOST MIX. >> THEY DO LOVE THEM A NEW REMIX THEY DO LOVE THAT. WHAT YOU’VE DONE IS PERFECT THERE. AND GROWING THOUSANDS OF THE DARN THINGS, BASICALLY, JUST GIVE IT SOME MORE 20-20-20 BECAUSE IT’S FAST AND WORKS QUICKLY. AND I WOULD DO IT MAYBE EVERY THREE OR FOUR DAYS IT SLICKLY IT’S READILY AVAILABLE. IS JUST A FOOD ISSUE. THE ROOTS OR NOT GATHERING ENOUGH. OUT OF THE GETS ANYTHING THAT YOU’VE DONE WRONG IN TERMS OF SEA SOIL IN EVERY THING IT’S GREAT. I JUSTIC THERE START, HONESTLY, THAT’S THE ONLY THING I COULD THINK ABOUT ONE. >> GREAT THANK YOU. >> Michelle: ALLEN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND OUR NEXT CALL OR FOUR BRIAN MINTER IS CHERYL IN ABBOTSFORD. HELLO. >> Michelle: WHAT IS YOUR QUESTION FOR BRIAN MINTER. >> YES, I HAVE A PNE PLANT. IT’S PLANTED IN MY FLOWER BED AND THIS YEAR, I ONLY GOT TWO BLOSSOMS ON IT AND ONE REALLY DRIED UP VERY UNDERDEVELOPED ONE. THE PLANT IS ABOUT 12 YEARS OLD, WHAT’S WRONG? >> Michelle: WEALTH SHERRILL, YOU AND I BOTH KNOW THAT PEONIES DO NOT WANT A RICH SOIL. THEY LOVE BASICALLY POOR SOIL. IF YOU GIVE THEM LOTS OF MANURES AND SEE SOIL — SEA SOIL IT AND THAT SORT OF STUFF, YOU WILL GET FOLIAGE BUT NOT THE FLOWERS. SO WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST WITH THE TIME WE HAVE UNTIL AUGUST WHEN THE LEAVES ARE GOING THE BRONZE COLOUR, I WOULD FEED THEM SOMETHING LIKE A TEN 15 19. SOMETHING WILL NITROGEN TO VERY HIGH IN PHOSPHORUS AND POTASH AND TRY AND BUILD UP THAT ROUTE SO THAT, IN FACT, NEXT YEAR YOU WILL GET MORE FLOWERS. AND I THINK I WOULD SAY MORE PHOSPHORUS AND POTASH AROUND THAT PLANT NOW WOULD MAKE ALL THE DIFFERENCE IN THE WORLD. >> GREAT, THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, “BLOCK. >> Michelle: THANK YOU SO MUCH. I LOVE THE QUICK INSISTENT QUESTION HERE KATIE BECAUSE THAT MEANS I CAN GET MARGARET ON THE LINE — PARDON ME, THAT WAS CHERYL AND NOW WE HAVE MARGARET ON THE LINE IN VANCOUVER. YOU WANTED TO ASK ABOUT GARLIC. >> YES, I DO. OUR NEIGHBOUR HAS AT THIS YEAR, WE HAVE HAD IT IN THE PAST, WE PLANT HARD NECK GARLIC AND THEN IN THE SPRING MAYBE A MONTH OR TWO BEFORE HARVEST, SOME OF THEM WILL START GOING FLOP IS US THEY HAVE GOT A SOFT NECK AND YOU GET SORT OF A GARLIC, BUT IT NEVER IS AS GOOD. AND, IN FACT,, OUR NEIGHBOURS ALMOST WHOLE CROP, WHICH IS QUITE SMALL IS FLOPPING OVER AS WE SPEAK. AND I JUST THOUGHT, IS THERE ANYTHING WE CAN DEWAR WHAT CAUSES IT? >> THAT’S A REALLY GOOD POINT HERE RIGHT NOW. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE HAD GREAT GARLIC GROWING WEATHER. IT’S BEEN ABSOLUTELY IDEAL, A LITTLE BIT OF MOISTURE, A BIT OF HEAT AND SO ON ITS BEEN GREAT. WHAT DO YOU SEE AS THEM RIGHT NOW? >> PERSONALLY, I JUST FEED THEM BY THROWING ON THOSE LITTLE PELLETS OF CHICKEN MANURE YOU CAN GET IN A BAG AND NORMALLY, SEAWEED, HORSE MANURE, THAT KIND OF THING IN THE FALL FOR THE GARDEN. >> I THINK HONESTLY, BECAUSE THOSE LITTLE CLOVES NEED TO SIZE UP AND GROW YOU NEED TO GET THEM SOME NUTRIENTS RIGHT NOW AND I THINK THAT’S A MAJOR PROBLEM HERE QUITE FRANKLY AND I WOULD USE IT LIKE LIKE TEN-15-19. BECAUSE YOU WANT HIGH PHOSPHORUS AND POTASH AGAIN TO GIVE THE PLANT MORE STRENGTH AND I THINK THAT IS THE SIMPLE ISSUE RIGHT NOW IS THEY NEED THAT HIGH PHOSPHORUS AND POTASH TO STRENGTHEN UP THOSE STEMS AND FOR THE SLOPPING — FLOPPING US. SOMETIMES YOU MIGHT CONSIDER BURNING — PRUNING THE BACK. YOU MIGHT MISS THE SCAPES, BUT GIVING THEM TEN-15-19. MAKING SURE WHEN YOU WATER WATER THOROUGHLY AND LET THEM DIE YOU BETWEEN WATERINGS AND I THINK MARGARET, WE COULD REALLY SEE THAT. BUT THEY ARE STARVING FOR PHOSPHORUS AND POTASH AS I THINK WHAT IS HAPPENING. >> Michelle: THAT WILL BE GOOD FOR YOUR GARLIC, MARGARET. THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. AND BRIAN MINTER, THANK YOU IS ALWAYS. WE HAVE TO GET OUR SQUASHES IN. >> YES, WE DO. AND DON’T FORGET BRUSSELS SPROUTS. >> Michelle: AND PUMPKINS. ALL THE GOOD STUFF. HAVE A GOOD WEEKEND, BRIAN MINTER. >> THANK YOU, MICHELLE, TAKE CARE. >> Michelle: BRIAN MINTER, OUR GARDENING COLUMNIST JOINING US FROM COUNTRY GARDENING LIMITED IN CHILLIWACK. HE WILL BE BACK IN TWO WEEKS.